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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host and this show just

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happens to land on tuesday and it

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happens to land on the first on the day

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of the first congressional hearing we've

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had in 50 years on the ufo topic i hope

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uh you streamed it this morning anyone

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that missed it

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and would still like to see it it's uh

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it's actually on my

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homepage

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podcastufo.com in the show notes for

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this particular show itself uh tonight

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i'm real excited uh we have ralph

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blumenthal he was a co-writer of a piece

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that announced this in the new york

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times last week and

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we're going to be talking about the

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hearing today and then i'm going to

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continue talking on on the hearing as

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well with our main guest sean cahill i'm

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really excited to have him on and uh so

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this should be a really good show i hope

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i hope you enjoy it and

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i have so many emails since this came

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out and a lot of emails to return i will

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get to that

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i will try to answer every email

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um i thought the hearing was really

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interesting first of all i do just a

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couple of things i have to get out of

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the way uh this week's blog is a ufo

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captured by children in japan that's by

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charles lear again his book is coming

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out in a couple weeks he'll be on the

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show he's been blogging for us

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for i think about three years um he may

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correct me maybe longer than that but

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it's always a a pleasure to get his

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blogs he's very well researched and his

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book should be just great so um

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today

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at 9 00 a.m eastern

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um there was a whole bunch of people

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watching that i was getting texts from

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people and all that it was really

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exciting i mean

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i had one uh really uh close person to

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me uh text me and says said that it felt

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the moon landing you know in 1969 it was

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that uh impactful um you know it was an

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hour and a half like i said um there was

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a lot of things packed in it but keep in

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mind uh for those of you out there who

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are saying well there was really nothing

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to it and all that um that this is just

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the beginning so i think it's very

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exciting and i think a lot of important

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things were talked about and for that

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i'm going to bring in our first guest

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hey welcome how you doing thank you yeah

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you bet and uh thanks for the article

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you uh alerted everyone i mean i don't

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you know i'm sure the buzz would have

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gotten out there but uh

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but that article really helped and and

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and that's how i found out about it you

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know people were contacting me but

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anyway um so how did you did you just

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find out early and just jump on this

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thing and and because it wasn't too much

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notice about this

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well we had noticed leslie and i leslie

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kane uh we knew about it for some weeks

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we've been tracking this we were hoping

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it wouldn't leak

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it was all exclusive in the times

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and luckily it held we were very careful

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you know noisy reporting around it

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beforehand but we did break the story we

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knew that this hearing was coming up we

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thought it was a big deal the times

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agreed i mean it's the first hearing in

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um 54 years uh when the world was really

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and you know it it's interesting you

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could you could complain that it didn't

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do this it didn't do that but

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let's focus on what it did do and we can

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talk about that but i thought it was

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quite interesting i did too and i'm

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got a couple of clips and one is about

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one minute i'm gonna play this because

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this was uh um

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it was adam schiff and it was totally

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off the cuff and i liked some of the

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things he said and this is not about

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politics some people may like them may

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not like them this is about the topic

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and the way it's being looked at and

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i thank you gentlemen for your work and

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i'll be very interested to hear what you

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to me among the most fascinating

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are these phenomena that we can

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measure that is

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instruments report there is something

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there it is not the human eye

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confusing objects in the sky

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there is something there measurable by

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multiple instruments and yet it seems to

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move in directions that are inconsistent

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with what we know of physics or science

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uh that to me poses uh questions of of

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tremendous interest and

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as well as potential national security

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significance so we look forward to

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hearing what you're able to report to us

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today in open session and i want to

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thank chairman carson again for his

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extraordinary leadership on this issue

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and i yield back

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yeah so i thought that was a good sort

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of an opening it was right near the

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everything he said there was true and

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kind of talking that way for quite a

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yeah i mean as you know martin the big

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issue here is how to destigmatize this

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phenomenon uh the last hearings when

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they were held 54 years ago was a very

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different climate um people lost their

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jobs uh for you know uh reporting a

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sighting uh people were ridiculed it

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still happens today but but less so the

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whole uh by putting it out front in a

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congressional hearing i think it went

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quite a ways in in taking the sting off

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the subject and showing that serious

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can discuss it in a serious way without

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that's right and one of the things is

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that moultrie one of the um

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things you know i i want to talk and get

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a couple of the semi-negative things out

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of the way and and that is uh

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someone and i can't remember i had it

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written down in my notes but someone

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said right off the bat they said

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um is it true that you like science

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and and so what was that about i mean

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did you did you well it's trying to try

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to minimize something is it i mean it it

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was a light moment i think uh in a way

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it humanized uh ronald moultrie uh show

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that under secretary of defense was

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interested in ufo conventions he didn't

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dress up he said yeah

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way of you know taking him down i think

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it was a way of humanizing and look

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take on that thank you uh but it's

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of the way and be done with the clips

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because i think this is fascinating this

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engaging directly with our naval

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aviators and building relationships to

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help destigmatize the act of reporting

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sightings or encounters

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and we work with naval aviation

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leadership to provide additional

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equipment to record any encounter navy

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step-by-step procedures for reporting on

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the uap on their knee board uh in their

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flight debrief procedures

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direct result of those efforts has been

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increased reporting with increased

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opportunities to focus a number of

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sensors on any objects the message is

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now clear

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if you see something you need to report

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and the message has been received in

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fact recently i received a call from a

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senior naval aviator with over 2000

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after landing

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an encounter that he had just

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those were just the initial steps we

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also made a concerted effort to assemble

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subject matter experts from across the

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government agencies and departments we

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allies and international partners into

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have been brought in to

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to expand our understanding in areas

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in short we've endeavored to bring an

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to the to better understand this

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phenomena so what have we learned so far

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any given observation may be fleeting

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may be observable by one or multiple

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assets in short there's rarely an easy

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and you know he went on to say that

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it sounded like he was saying since they

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tried to destigmatize stigmatize the

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situation

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um i don't know if you caught that but

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it seems like there there's more comfort

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in reporting and i love the fact that

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this is going to be on their knee board

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you know specifics on what to do with a

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ufo encounter and in the briefing um

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that's all good that's all in the

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positive direction

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but um one thing uh i did catch there

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and i knew and you caught it because we

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talked off mike

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was uh one of the experts they're

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calling in is someone in metallurgy

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and what does that mean because they

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said uh that there's no uh there's

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nothing that can't be explained um in

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other words there's no crashed ufo i

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think they more or less said that in a

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matter of words

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so what do you think of that

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they he i mean i don't know

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what uh

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room he left you know for he doesn't

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have it maybe somebody else has it but i

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came away with the idea that he the

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government does not have according to

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him uh materials from a crashed ufo

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um

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but then what is the metallurgy

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part of it i mean who

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where what medals have been retrieved

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what metals are being looked at where

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where are they from

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i suppose you could

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theorize

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you know what kind of metallic substance

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one of these physical objects which they

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agreed were physical

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might might consist of but it was quite

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a curious um you know dissonance uh we

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don't have material but we're looking at

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the metallurgy

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so you know among the many mysteries of

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this subject

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right and there was another thing he

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said later on i'm not sure if you caught

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this either or if it means anything but

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he was saying

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what is to remain classified is if they

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find out anything about these

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uh these objects

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that they may not want their adversaries

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to know and that that you could kind of

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go off you know into a conspiracy a

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little bit and what is he saying like if

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they find out they're they're actually

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you know from another planet they're

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going to keep it from our adversaries

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which would mean that they would have to

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keep it from us as well right um i mean

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he invoked that at one point when they

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talked about underwater sightings yes uh

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so it would be very nice to know what

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came up at the classified hearing uh

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we're not supposed to know that but uh

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you know how much of that really can and

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should be kept away from them from the

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american people i suppose if it has a

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defense component security component uh

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you know it should remain uh classified

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but uh the whole history of this subject

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is that a lot of material that could

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have been shared with the american

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people uh wasn't uh for all kinds of

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reasons so

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but that was very intriguing the

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underwater thing he invoked the

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classified uh you know shield at that

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point

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do you think uh now we only have a

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couple minutes here because i know you

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have a hard 15 minutes you you're very

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busy a lot of you're in high demand

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right now so

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what was your biggest takeaway from this

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was it just that or or do you have

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something else no i mean scott bray said

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these objects uh he said it clearly

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again these objects are physical they

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are real and i can't emphasize that

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enough that came out in the uap task

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force reported last year after they went

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through all the other possibilities you

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know

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cloud formation natural phenomena uh

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reflections uh you know uh uh other uh

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aviation uh earthbound aviation and then

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there was the big other bucket um but

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they said in in you know in conjunction

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with that that these um

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objects uh many of them are real so

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we've come a long way since the last

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hearing martin uh you know 54 years ago

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when they said you know swamp gas and

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all these outlandish uh explanations so

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now we're coming around to the idea we

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don't know what they are we don't know

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where they're from we don't know how

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they can do what they can do but they're

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real now that to me is is quite a an

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admission

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it is and you know i mean someone asked

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me what i've what's the number one thing

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i've learned while doing the show for

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over 10 years and that was my answer

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that they're real i'm not saying what

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they are and um i believe somewhere in

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the talk this morning uh in the hearing

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you know someone was talking about the

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very strong possibility that

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some of these could be extraterrestrial

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it's a possibility and that uh

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there's a lot of research on that that

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possibility of it which uh

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i thought was pretty good and clearly

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though what came out of the hearing that

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these things are able to do

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uh you know aerodynamically what we

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can't duplicate what our earthly

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adversaries can't duplicate uh again he

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you know through cold water on the idea

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that uh they could be russian or chinese

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which is trotted out periodically he

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said the chinese are doing their own

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research they have their own uap task

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force equivalent

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um so that's interesting um so they're

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they're looking into the same things we

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are so um it is interesting when you go

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back you know line by line over the

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testimony there were quite some uh

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insights here that's right all right

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well thank you so much ralph i really

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appreciate it always nice to talk to you

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likewise and and you know what i'm going

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to run this thing about your book right

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now here it goes

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the believer is the chilling true story

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of dr john mack a renowned harvard

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psychiatrist and pulitzer prize winner

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this is a outreach program from the

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cosmos to the consciously impaired he

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risked it all to investigate human

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encounters with aliens the believer

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alien encounters hard science and the

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passion of john mack written by

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award-winning former new york times

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journalist and author ralph blumenthal

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now available in paperback from high

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road books

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all right wow and that is that because

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link below sean

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how are you well martin i'm really glad

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that you uh you agreed to be on this

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show and it was funny when you were uh

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visiting with uh louis elizondo you two

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are going to be on together and uh oh

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your flight you forgot to check your

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flight was leaving that day so yeah we

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got our dates wrong

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yeah yeah so how to finally be here yes

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i'm glad you are too and

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uh so what did before we go into well

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actually let's quickly say your

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background first of all and then i want

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to talk about what you thought about the

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hearing today but would you if you throw

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your background out there i think uh

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it's it's pretty interesting i know you

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were in a you were in a rock band at one

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time right weren't you

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i've been in a couple throughout the

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years nothing uh nothing notable just a

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hobby of mine but i spent uh 20 years in

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the united states navy most of that time

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as a master at arms and uh more than

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half of it as a chief master at arms

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in 2004 i was stationed on board the uss

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princeton when we encountered what's now

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infamously known as the tic tac uh over

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the course of that week i assisted kevin

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day and gary voorhees and some other

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people with ships movements and i was

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also on the bridge where i may or may

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have not witnessed five to seven

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anomalous lights in the sky that may

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have been associated with the tic tac

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we'll never know um

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but

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that's that's where i started with this

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and it was about

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nine or so years later when i met luis

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elizondo when i let him know that i was

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one of the folks that i was there and we

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struck up a friendship and i've been a

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uh

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i've been working on this subject with

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him ever since

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yeah and i've listened to another

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interview you were on and i want to talk

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to you about some of the things you said

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then but for right now

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uh what did did you uh stream the uh did

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you get to what you did and i know it

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was very early uh it was six o'clock in

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the morning your time so but anyway you

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can replay it i don't know uh so you got

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to watch it what were your what was your

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thoughts on that hearing

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you know overall if i were to give it a

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grade i'd give it a definite um a minus

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i think we really achieved something

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today i think that a lot of people

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should not let that pass them by

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now we could get into expectation

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management and we could get into the

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minutia of the pluses and minuses of it

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but overall today was a historic day we

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should be celebrating these first steps

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i i agree with you i agree with you i've

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had some email you know from

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people that listen to the show that were

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disappointed um and

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i remember speaking

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about this i believe i spoke about it

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last week saying basically you know look

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if you are expecting them to talk about

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aliens or crash ufo material um you know

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it's it is all about expectations

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you know what you're expecting to hear

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and what

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actually happens but i think i

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personally think it was a really big

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step

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and i think that um

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you know it's an exciting time

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to be looking at this topic i mean you

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know for the first uh

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many years it was still very interesting

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to me but the last few years it just

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it's like a a snowball rolling down the

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hill

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and uh you know we there's a lot of

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people to thank for that people who have

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um you know done a lot of work to make

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this happen

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you know we really can't thank enough of

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them um i recently put out an article

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thanking folks that that we worked with

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directly at skyford

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um and i was actually i was very

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surprised at the amount of

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correspondence i got from other people

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saying you didn't mention this person

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and all of these pioneers

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and i i would have been in front of my

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computer for a week listing all of the

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people that that wrote books and papers

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and and folks like john mack that we

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relied on for their for the long-term

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research value that they've provided

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um but

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it's a boundless amount of people that

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got us here today it wasn't just skyford

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it wasn't just lou elisondo and the

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handful of people that we may associate

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with um it was folks like yourself and

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mr blumenthal and leslie keane and many

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other people

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who took something from before and

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looked at it differently and elevated it

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um to a place that we had public

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hearings in congress today so

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it took all of us every single one of us

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i think

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that's right yeah and you know they

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there was one point

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that i just

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remembering right now where they talked

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about the disinformation aspect of this

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and how you know they have to be

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um really wary of that and that's why

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i'm hoping that they have

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it it seems to me well this is just my

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opinion and this is just off the cuff

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but it seems to me like if someone just

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dives into this thing like they've never

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really followed it closely and they just

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dive in

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00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:33,440
um and i i know someone in particular

557
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:34,559
that i can

558
00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:36,080
tell you right now

559
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:38,799
that's very highly thought of that it's

560
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:41,120
done a lot of things and

561
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:42,960
been on tv programs and stuff like that

562
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:45,679
and is doing a wonderful job but when he

563
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:48,480
first dove into this thing um he was

564
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:50,880
going to make a big mistake and luckily

565
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:53,760
uh i stopped i stopped the situation

566
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:55,840
just by conversation on the phone and

567
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:57,039
and after i looked at what he was

568
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:58,640
talking about and all that type of thing

569
00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:00,240
so this is what i'm talking about that

570
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:03,360
can happen if someone is in this this

571
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:06,320
task force if they don't have like and

572
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:08,480
say a person that really knows this

573
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:09,760
subject

574
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:11,600
they can make a lot of mistakes and they

575
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:13,840
can follow a lot of leads that are going

576
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:16,480
to go nowhere and make fools of

577
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:17,600
themselves

578
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:19,440
you know there's uh there's plenty of

579
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:21,840
opportunity to do that

580
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:24,159
i have to say that that i feel like

581
00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:25,840
that is one thing that the task force

582
00:21:29,029 --> 00:21:26,960
got right

583
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:29,039
um while while i would agree with a lot

584
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:31,840
of people without being condescending

585
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:34,240
that the task force needs some help in

586
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:36,000
in education surrounding the greater

587
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:37,840
zeitgeist of the subject

588
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,159
at the same time i'm very happy that

589
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:42,480
they didn't go down any rabbit holes

590
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:45,039
um of of

591
00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:48,559
a fictionalized misinfo disinfo things

592
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:50,240
that that are just

593
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:52,240
that get confusing they started at the

594
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:53,760
ground level and i know a lot of people

595
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:56,400
wanted more impactful disclosure type

596
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:58,480
questions being asked today

597
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,400
but i'm very glad that they brought

598
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,640
dignity to the subject because we're

599
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:04,400
we're almost starting at square one in a

600
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:06,240
lot of ways because we're just not sure

601
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:07,840
what came before

602
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:09,520
this moment

603
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:12,640
was was worthwhile and what wasn't

604
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:14,159
yeah and one one thing i have to say

605
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:16,159
about one of the

606
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:17,600
um

607
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:20,799
representatives his name was gallagher

608
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:22,720
he asked some very

609
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:25,280
really good questions about the nukes

610
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:27,360
and the disabling of the nukes and he

611
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:29,360
was rather surprised that

612
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:32,000
no one seemed to know about that and you

613
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:34,159
know that was at and you know through

614
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:35,679
the air force and there should be all

615
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:37,919
types of documentation for that

616
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:39,520
um and so i thought that was really

617
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:42,000
really good that he did that and maybe

618
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:44,640
they will look into it but i have to say

619
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:46,480
and i'm probably going to get some mail

620
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:47,840
for saying this

621
00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:51,039
uh he went into the wilson document now

622
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:52,840
the wilson document

623
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,400
is

624
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:56,480
we don't know if it's that whole thing

625
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:57,760
if there's really

626
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:59,760
if it's really that credible there

627
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:01,840
there's some issues with it and then he

628
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:03,360
entered it

629
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:05,600
you know and i'm thinking the whole time

630
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:08,640
i'm cringing thinking oh he was doing so

631
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:09,919
well

632
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,159
and then and then he went there and that

633
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:14,240
could that could potentially muddy the

634
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:16,240
water so to speak and that could could

635
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:18,960
be a problem in my opinion

636
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:21,360
so if the task force is if the task

637
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:22,880
force

638
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:24,799
as a generalized term meaning the you

639
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:26,640
know what goes forward from here on out

640
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:28,880
the the authoritative oversight that

641
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,559
we're all hoping for

642
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:32,159
if they do their homework right we're

643
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:34,000
going to get the truth out of the wilson

644
00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:36,000
document so whether it's of dubious

645
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:38,240
origin or or whether it's laced with

646
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:40,000
urban myth and legend

647
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:41,919
that's something that's now in the task

648
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:44,640
force's hands now

649
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:46,320
i don't want to spend too much time

650
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:47,919
going why had they never heard of the

651
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,440
wilson document

652
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:51,760
um it should have been something that

653
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:53,039
one way or the other they would have

654
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,720
been socialized to

655
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:56,880
um there were some other things during

656
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:58,400
the during the hearing that i found a

657
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:00,159
little interesting um

658
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:02,559
a lot was made of project blue book

659
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:03,600
but

660
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,600
it was almost completely unmentioned um

661
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:09,600
they didn't mention project sign project

662
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:12,320
grudge right condom report yes and so

663
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,760
there's a lot of people watching this

664
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:15,520
that are hearing the task force answer

665
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:17,279
questions for example like what you

666
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:19,840
mentioned earlier do you have

667
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:21,679
crash material

668
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:23,279
they said we do not have crashed

669
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:25,120
material i wouldn't be surprised if the

670
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:27,120
uap task force doesn't even have a water

671
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,080
cooler

672
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:30,320
um there's no offense to them but it's

673
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:32,080
only a few people that are trying to

674
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,960
reach out into a network of larger folks

675
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:36,720
and gain information so

676
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,080
they were woefully uneducated

677
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:42,240
in a lot of what the key points might be

678
00:24:45,909 --> 00:24:43,520
and so i think that you're you're

679
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:45,919
mentioning that they they're gonna need

680
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,720
a phd level ufo expert um advising them

681
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:52,320
and they're gonna need folks like lou

682
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:54,960
elizondo or people like him or and and

683
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:57,039
the pilots etc we all saw what was

684
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:58,960
missing today so i think a lot of the

685
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:01,279
american public especially centered in

686
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:04,000
the ufo and science communities are

687
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:05,039
know exactly what they're going to be

688
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:07,600
looking for next time for sure

689
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,720
does anyone i don't i haven't heard this

690
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:12,960
in any type of way but does anyone know

691
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:15,840
if this is going to be a regular type of

692
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:18,080
i meant to ask ralph this

693
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,360
you know if these hearings are going to

694
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:21,600
be on a regular basis

695
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:24,880
i i don't have a a solid um

696
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:26,559
you know standard operating procedure or

697
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:28,559
memo or anything to point to but but

698
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:30,880
when we speak about it and i didn't i

699
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:32,559
didn't have as much notice as mr

700
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:35,279
blumenthal did certainly um but i knew

701
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:37,520
about it a little bit ahead of time

702
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:40,640
the the idea is that the classified

703
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:42,559
briefings that occur

704
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,240
should have unclassified public

705
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:48,480
brethren that follow them

706
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:50,960
and that that if if our congressional

707
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:52,400
folks are getting briefings at this

708
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:54,559
point moving forward on this then

709
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:55,919
whatever they're briefed on should be

710
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:57,919
sanitized and redacted down to the level

711
00:26:03,110 --> 00:25:59,600
where it can be publicized

712
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:03,120
as quickly as possible so if we see

713
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,760
consistently classified briefings behind

714
00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:07,279
closed doors

715
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,840
that's going to get old pretty quick i

716
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:11,039
think right

717
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:12,640
and what did you think

718
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:16,320
if you were listening uh when i said

719
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:17,440
to ralph

720
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:19,039
that if they

721
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:20,080
are

722
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:22,640
you know working to understand what

723
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:24,799
these uap

724
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:26,480
are that they want to make sure they're

725
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:27,760
not going to share it with their

726
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:30,159
adversaries which would mean

727
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:31,840
obviously that they can't share it with

728
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:33,440
the the public

729
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:34,720
um

730
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:36,559
am i taking that do you think i'm taking

731
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:39,919
that in a wrong way or do you think

732
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:41,200
does that mean that it could be

733
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:43,360
something military is that what do you

734
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:45,679
think they meant that type of thing

735
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:47,440
well i think where a lot of people have

736
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:49,039
a have a kind of

737
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:50,799
a kind of bias that takes them one way

738
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:52,640
or the other is when we get to what is

739
00:27:09,909 --> 00:26:53,440
it

740
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:09,919
such

741
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:11,120
um

742
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:12,640
now i don't think what they were talking

743
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:14,720
about because again we didn't talk about

744
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,480
aliens today that wasn't on the table

745
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,720
extraterrestrials and ideas like that

746
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:20,640
those conclusions are very far down the

747
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:23,360
road from we have an anomalous video and

748
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:25,760
radar data and things like that

749
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:27,919
however before people get too up in arms

750
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:29,120
about that

751
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:30,880
i think that what we're talking about

752
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:33,120
here solely surrounds

753
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:34,399
concepts

754
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:36,399
technology and things surrounding

755
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:39,360
national security in that

756
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:41,840
if there is if there is an other

757
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,320
that it that possesses advanced

758
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:46,559
technology that might dominate a battle

759
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:47,760
space

760
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:50,080
if if the united states government had

761
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,159
information that pointed towards that as

762
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,399
an outside influence i can see where

763
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,559
they would want to keep that from our

764
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:58,559
earthly adversaries

765
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:00,640
because they're that you can easily make

766
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:03,760
the jump to your adversary might contact

767
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:06,000
this thing gain the gain the upper hand

768
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:08,399
on you etc so i think a lot of people

769
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:10,559
don't understand this isn't just about

770
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:12,640
figuring out what it is it's also about

771
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:15,120
safeguarding ourselves from our earthly

772
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,039
adversaries and the possibility of

773
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:19,760
adversaries off planet or

774
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:21,679
more esoteric if that's what it turns

775
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,039
out to be

776
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:24,960
and because it hasn't identified itself

777
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:27,760
and the government has a role in that

778
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:28,960
and that and part of that role is

779
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:30,640
managing intelligence managing

780
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:32,960
capabilities to ensure that an adversary

781
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:34,960
doesn't leak past

782
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:36,960
you know the the one thing

783
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:39,200
that i i think about that is

784
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:41,039
you know if there was all of a sudden

785
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:42,799
there was knowledge that

786
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:44,960
yes this is definitely an intelligence

787
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,159
from

788
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:48,640
you know an extraterrestrial uh

789
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,600
intelligence uh we have figured this out

790
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:53,520
um

791
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:56,000
i'm not really sure

792
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:59,279
um i i see where you're going but i also

793
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:00,880
wonder

794
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:02,720
what they would be

795
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:05,760
giving up if they admitted that if they

796
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:08,799
knew it you know would they yeah i mean

797
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:10,960
so it's a very sticky situation because

798
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:13,919
we we we're very much in the dark here

799
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:16,480
um the implications and conclusions are

800
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:18,480
astounding i think that our leadership

801
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,240
if those implications and conclusions

802
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,640
exist even in the most general form i

803
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:24,799
think they're probably very frightened

804
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:25,679
um

805
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:27,840
you know a lot of people will blow off

806
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,120
to me when i talk to them about the

807
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:31,760
sociological and cultural impacts of

808
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:32,880
these things

809
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:35,200
but a lot of the people i talk to about

810
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,880
this subject aren't playing chess with

811
00:29:39,909 --> 00:29:38,480
the subject they're playing checkers and

812
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:39,919
they're just they're just thinking about

813
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:41,600
their visceral wants and needs and the

814
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:43,520
needs of the public and they're not

815
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:45,200
thinking about the cascading effects

816
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:46,320
that these are going to have throughout

817
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:48,320
our society once they're known

818
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:50,880
i don't again i'm not i'm not a secret

819
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:52,960
keeper i want to know and when i know

820
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,840
i'm gonna say but um

821
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,600
but i can see where people would be

822
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:59,760
reticent to to to make those decisions

823
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:01,039
and i can see that this is gonna be a

824
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:02,399
hard fight

825
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:04,399
i've said a number of times on the show

826
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:06,640
and you just have no never heard me say

827
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:10,159
it um but um i've often

828
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,279
thought and

829
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:12,960
and said that

830
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:15,840
i don't think that our government really

831
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:18,559
knows that much more about

832
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:21,200
what they are than

833
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:22,399
anyone

834
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:25,039
you know and um if they did they would

835
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:28,159
have an awful lot of explaining to do if

836
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:29,679
they've known about it for a long time

837
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:31,360
and have you know said it's really

838
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:33,120
nothing nothing going on here type of

839
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:33,919
thing

840
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,320
but i really believe that they probably

841
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:38,320
don't know that much about it you know

842
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:39,360
but

843
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:41,840
i do believe that there is some really

844
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:44,960
good evidence out there uh there's been

845
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:48,080
a number of reports over the years of

846
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:51,360
film that was taken by the government um

847
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:53,120
and the situation we've been talking

848
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:56,320
about um gary voorhees talks about the

849
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:58,640
data bricks being you know absconded

850
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:00,080
right off of

851
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:02,960
nimitz uh you know so they they have to

852
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,720
know more

853
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:06,240
but it doesn't necessarily mean that

854
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,149
i i i completely agree with you and that

855
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:14,960
flabbergasts a lot of people um

856
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:16,559
but i think what we saw today with the

857
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:18,559
with the hearing shows us that there is

858
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:19,519
not

859
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:23,200
congress to go to to find out what has

860
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:24,799
been done in the subject you have to go

861
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:27,679
to ufology you have to go outside of of

862
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:29,519
government and leadership to get a site

863
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:31,519
picture of what's happening here and we

864
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,200
even saw a task force that was

865
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:34,960
specifically tasked with gaining as much

866
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:36,880
information as they could in a very pro

867
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:38,799
protracted period of time

868
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:40,960
but they were woefully uneducated about

869
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:43,679
what's gone on before about who their

870
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:47,039
predecessors are and what kind of things

871
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:48,799
have been worked on over the years and

872
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:51,120
we have 75 years of

873
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:53,360
at least observational reverse

874
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:54,480
engineering

875
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,279
of think of of considering ideas of

876
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,440
seeing things and and

877
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:01,279
talking about them at a certain level

878
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:04,159
and these ideas do promulgate so none of

879
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,799
these things are are absolute

880
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:08,559
are absolutely a new subject to any of

881
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:10,720
these folks but i think that there's the

882
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,480
learning curve is going to be very steep

883
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:14,720
going from here on out

884
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:16,000
one of the things i believe they

885
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:17,440
actually mentioned it today i've heard

886
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,399
it before but they're not um

887
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:22,559
they're not really going to and in the

888
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:24,240
chat room i'll just have to say in the

889
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:25,919
chat room i may not get to too many of

890
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:28,000
your questions tonight i will try but if

891
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:29,519
you'd like to send a question do please

892
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:31,600
do put them in all caps and i'll try to

893
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:33,039
get to them if i can

894
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:35,679
um but you know

895
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,120
they are not going to be looking back

896
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:42,000
further really than the two thin 2000 or

897
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,799
so and their answer for and it's really

898
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,799
a shame because so much has happened

899
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:48,720
over the years and decades

900
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:49,919
um but

901
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:53,600
their their reasoning is that the data

902
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:54,880
collection

903
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:57,200
is not near

904
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:58,559
good enough to understand what these

905
00:33:01,750 --> 00:32:59,679
things are

906
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:01,760
uh well that's what they've said

907
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:06,559
right yeah but if i may yes

908
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:08,480
let's raise the bs flag a little bit

909
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:09,760
here because i don't want people to

910
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:11,679
think that i'm an apologist for for what

911
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:13,840
we saw today okay i think that what we

912
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:15,519
saw was folks doing the best that they

913
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:17,200
could with the time they were possibly

914
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:18,880
given

915
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:19,840
but

916
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:21,760
representative timbershett immediately

917
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:24,720
following and i i've seen this via an

918
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:27,279
nbc clip from gaddy schwartz

919
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:29,519
but he came right out and said come on

920
00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:30,320
we've

921
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:34,159
the pilots have seen better

922
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:36,000
we have better we need the pilots up

923
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:37,360
here and we need to be showing the

924
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,840
people you know the the more compelling

925
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,000
evidence and i have to completely agree

926
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:44,880
with him and the idea that he would

927
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:46,960
kind of do a 180 on the status quo that

928
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:48,799
we had seen go on before

929
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:50,799
is very shocking to me but but i'm happy

930
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:52,320
about it because it means that there are

931
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:53,840
mavericks willing to push this forward

932
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:56,159
and not let it go away

933
00:34:01,830 --> 00:33:59,200
yes um i saw and i wish i

934
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:01,840
i wish i could bring it up uh quickly

935
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:04,640
but i saw um someone on an someone sent

936
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,399
me a news clip that was great and this

937
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:10,639
um and i can't remember if it was a

938
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:13,919
senator it was someone that was

939
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:15,520
important enough to

940
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:18,159
have his hands in on this topic maybe i

941
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:20,320
don't think he was on the task force but

942
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:21,359
possible

943
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,000
he was and he was basically saying come

944
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:26,240
on you know these things are come on

945
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:27,359
everybody

946
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:30,560
these these things are real and i i i

947
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:32,800
wish i could find the clip easy enough i

948
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,679
would probably put it up but uh he was

949
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:37,520
like saying we really need to you know

950
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:38,480
stop

951
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:39,440
uh

952
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:41,040
i believe he called it a cover-up it's

953
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:44,399
been a cover-up now uh you can

954
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:47,359
you can say it's a cover-up or again it

955
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:48,879
might just go back to the fact that they

956
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:51,200
have no idea what's going on

957
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:53,359
i i think that again without being an

958
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:55,280
apologist because there there have been

959
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:58,640
cover-ups um lies of omission are part

960
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:00,960
of cover-ups um

961
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:03,119
some could even say that that the lack

962
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:04,720
of understanding of the playing field

963
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:06,640
today by some of the people could be

964
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:09,599
perceived as a cover-up um

965
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:12,160
but the compartmentalization

966
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:12,960
and

967
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:18,160
this subject is astounding um if we if

968
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,560
we look at all of the different programs

969
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:22,079
that proceeded from

970
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:23,920
following world war ii from from blue

971
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:27,119
book on you see that there is a constant

972
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:29,760
eureka moment for for new generations

973
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:31,680
and and every few years you get a group

974
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,520
of people to go oh my god there's

975
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:35,200
something here

976
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:37,520
let's form a task force of some kind you

977
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,359
know or a group or a project and put it

978
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:41,280
together and research it

979
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,200
and then at the end of it we get a very

980
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:45,520
milk toast and whitewashed report and

981
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:47,119
nothing to see here and it goes back

982
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,560
into the black that happened over and

983
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:50,480
over again for 75 years

984
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:52,480
so the notion of a cover-up doesn't have

985
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:55,200
to fall into the conspiracy realm

986
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,240
um it can be a cover-up

987
00:36:01,630 --> 00:36:00,240
by default it could be a cover-up

988
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:01,640
because of all the the the

989
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:03,440
compartmentalization but the fact is is

990
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:04,720
we're here

991
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:07,599
the the oversight that we're seeing now

992
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,160
cannot go away it it there there needs

993
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:12,640
to be a decompartmentalization and a

994
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:15,920
homogenization of this subject

995
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,800
absolutely absolutely um

996
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:20,880
well like i i asked

997
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:22,640
ralph this question i'll ask you what

998
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:23,760
was

999
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:27,440
from you know the best thing you would

1000
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:30,000
think that came out of today

1001
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:32,480
well for me we got to

1002
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:34,960
we got to really knock down a lot of the

1003
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,960
low-hanging fruit that has been plaguing

1004
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:38,880
us lately a tip is now a matter of

1005
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:41,119
record without without question

1006
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:44,240
um the wilson memo has been assumed into

1007
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:45,520
the uh

1008
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:47,040
into the machine so we'll finally get

1009
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:49,040
the investigation that it deserves and

1010
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,560
we'll finally start to

1011
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:52,320
to understand that

1012
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:54,320
um

1013
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:55,440
i i think

1014
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:58,320
we all saw obfuscation in place today

1015
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:01,359
um i think congress is up for the task

1016
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:04,079
but we we saw this

1017
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:05,920
taken seriously and given dignity in a

1018
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:08,510
way that it hasn't been before um

1019
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,680
[Music]

1020
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:11,760
those things are on record

1021
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,280
we have the we have the follow-on

1022
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,520
scheduling for the for these briefings

1023
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:17,200
and there are unclass briefings coming

1024
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:18,640
up again too and there's no reason why

1025
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:20,720
we shouldn't get the the data out of

1026
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:22,720
those unclass briefings

1027
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:24,320
um

1028
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:27,359
the question is is where is air force

1029
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:29,599
um they should be taking a lead in this

1030
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,640
today it was discussing this that

1031
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:34,720
pardon me discussed again that navy has

1032
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:38,160
lead on this where is air force in this

1033
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:39,200
um

1034
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:40,079
and

1035
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:42,800
are we going to see

1036
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:45,280
the military leadership now that's in

1037
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:46,160
place

1038
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:48,640
and bring in their pilots bring in their

1039
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:50,320
their their field operators and the

1040
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,760
other people that have seen these things

1041
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:53,440
just

1042
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:56,800
there's talk of a

1043
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,720
of a uh

1044
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:00,320
of a group of folks that were in saudi

1045
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,560
arabia on combat missions

1046
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,640
that were

1047
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:06,800
specifically ordered

1048
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:08,560
not to speak about the uap they

1049
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:10,480
encountered while on these missions

1050
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:11,680
um

1051
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:13,920
that's a big question as to why those

1052
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:16,720
folks can immediately be brought in

1053
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:18,400
people like commander fravor if they're

1054
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:20,800
willing to speak more um and the other

1055
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:23,520
pilot should immediately be brought in

1056
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:25,920
so we can if we're not going to go back

1057
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:27,680
through 70 years worth of data and

1058
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,119
figure out what that meant then let's

1059
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:31,280
take the data that we have right now in

1060
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:33,359
4k in some cases

1061
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,280
and and let's let's figure out what that

1062
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:37,200
data is

1063
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:39,200
one of the things uh regarding you're

1064
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:42,240
talking about the 70 years that they had

1065
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:44,160
um and i wish that was brought up more

1066
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:47,680
today and the reason why is because

1067
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,760
there was a lot of question whether

1068
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:51,440
these things could be

1069
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:53,040
you know uh

1070
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:55,520
say secret programs

1071
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,560
or

1072
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:58,560
possible adversaries

1073
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,800
and but they never i want to say they

1074
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,000
never

1075
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:04,720
they don't talk about hey you know back

1076
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:07,520
in 1960 this object was doing exactly

1077
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,960
the same thing

1078
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,720
uh so

1079
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:12,960
how would you explain that to be you

1080
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:14,560
know our adversaries are a secret

1081
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:16,000
program i mean that

1082
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:17,520
that would have been really nice if that

1083
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:20,320
was part of the topic today because uh

1084
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:22,000
because it discounts

1085
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:25,200
so much if they do not bring that up i

1086
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:27,200
mean you could relatively say about

1087
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:29,200
anything that tic tac

1088
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:31,760
could have been you know technology

1089
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:34,160
and um one of the things i

1090
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:35,599
i'm rambling a little bit here but one

1091
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,200
of the things i i did

1092
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:39,599
like i can't remember it was moultrie

1093
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:41,359
perhaps said there is no

1094
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:43,680
blue on blue in other words we're not

1095
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:46,160
chasing our own tale we're not chasing

1096
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:48,400
the technology of a secret program that

1097
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,079
type of thing which i thought was

1098
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:52,560
interesting to hear and good to hear

1099
00:39:55,829 --> 00:39:54,960
in general i i've never worried too much

1100
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:55,839
about

1101
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:58,480
us bumping into our own tech i came from

1102
00:40:07,430 --> 00:39:59,280
a

1103
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:07,440
hook

1104
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:09,440
and we experienced another one with our

1105
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:11,040
with our training forces we had what

1106
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:12,560
were called red cell

1107
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:14,880
um we had um

1108
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:17,359
special operations guys who would come

1109
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:19,280
in and test the defenses of our own

1110
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:21,520
assets and after a while people started

1111
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:22,720
getting hurt

1112
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:25,359
and we realized that that blue on blue

1113
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:27,200
unannounced training

1114
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,240
leads leads to to mishap and death and

1115
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:32,480
and it wasn't worth it and so the us

1116
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:34,640
navy completely stopped all blue on blue

1117
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:36,400
unannounced training and for the

1118
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:38,319
remainder of my career we would go to

1119
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:40,079
great lengths to ensure that every

1120
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:42,160
personnel with insider here every person

1121
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:44,240
with insider hearing understood whether

1122
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:46,720
or not we were engaged in a drill

1123
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:48,560
or an actual event

1124
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:49,440
um

1125
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:51,200
so the idea that we would test this

1126
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:54,640
technology out there amongst a nuclear

1127
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:56,960
battle fleet that's prepping to go to

1128
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:58,880
actual operations

1129
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:01,680
i i think is beyond the realm of

1130
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,400
ridiculousness because there's just too

1131
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:06,720
many things that could go wrong

1132
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:10,800
um during if there were a mishap so i i

1133
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:13,839
don't see that as happening um

1134
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:15,599
i think that's very i think that's

1135
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:17,920
pardon me i think that's very important

1136
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:20,480
very important for people to know

1137
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:22,160
that this is

1138
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:26,000
not it you know people like mick west

1139
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:28,079
who um you know is

1140
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,119
has come up with that type of thing uh

1141
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,599
uh actually i take that back i'm not 100

1142
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,040
sure if that's one of the

1143
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:37,920
the ways that he went but uh

1144
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:39,440
uh

1145
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:42,240
but other people have talked about

1146
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:44,000
the fact that they think it's and there

1147
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:45,760
was uh someone that was saying it was a

1148
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,079
hologram type of situation that was

1149
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:50,160
being tested and all these type of

1150
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,359
things but

1151
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:53,440
uh it's really good to know that the

1152
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:55,040
navy learned their lesson a long time

1153
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:57,119
ago and this would not happen

1154
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:58,960
and i i would assume that would be

1155
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:00,839
across all branches of the

1156
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:03,839
military it is that's that's correct we

1157
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:05,839
we do not do um

1158
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:08,079
unannounced uh

1159
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:10,800
training exercises against armed locked

1160
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:13,520
and loaded forces i i'm just i'm trying

1161
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:15,200
to imagine the mishap that could have

1162
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:17,359
happened with a five observables craft

1163
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,280
and a nuclear aircraft carrier with a

1164
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,599
fleet of aircraft and

1165
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,040
guided missiles

1166
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:25,440
in submarines and on and on ships i have

1167
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:27,280
no idea what that how badly that could

1168
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:29,839
have gone if if that were a training

1169
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:31,040
exercise

1170
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:37,589
we have a solid history of observational

1171
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:40,000
data that says this is not a modern a

1172
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:42,079
brand new modern problem

1173
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,000
it's a 70-year investigation for a

1174
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:46,400
reason i i think that we have to take

1175
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,079
some of these benchmarks that it's a

1176
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:50,800
it's a 75-year plus investigation that

1177
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:53,040
numerous um

1178
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,599
authorities throughout the years have

1179
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:57,599
investigated it and then literally said

1180
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:59,599
the same thing nothing to see here we'll

1181
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:01,359
be over there don't call us we'll call

1182
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,240
you

1183
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,960
but if if i can remind folks um this is

1184
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:06,640
something not a lot of people are gonna

1185
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,880
are gonna be aware of

1186
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:10,240
just let me pull up my notes for a

1187
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:14,560
minute um in december of 1953 the joint

1188
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,000
chiefs of staff issued a letter of

1189
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:18,160
promulgation joint army navy air force

1190
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:21,200
regulation number 146 made it a crime

1191
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,880
for military personnel to discuss

1192
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:25,200
classified ufo reports with unauthorized

1193
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,599
persons violators face up to two years

1194
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,599
in prison and or finds up to ten

1195
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:31,440
thousand dollars and again that was

1196
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:35,280
december 1953 uh joint army navy

1197
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:38,720
staff letter of promulgation number 146.

1198
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,520
now my question is is in any realm

1199
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:45,119
why would we need to make it illegal to

1200
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,960
discuss this now i understand

1201
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:48,480
no one needs to be reminded not to

1202
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:51,040
discuss classified reports

1203
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,960
why does everyone

1204
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:54,720
in the service need a reminder not to

1205
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:56,720
discuss classified ufo reports at that

1206
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,760
time

1207
00:44:01,750 --> 00:44:00,000
um

1208
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:01,760
it certainly tells us that this isn't

1209
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:04,720
new if we needed to order sailors for

1210
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:07,280
under 10 000 penalty back in the 60s

1211
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:09,680
that's a big penalty in the 1960s oh my

1212
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:11,839
god it's like a house today

1213
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,599
buying a house what were we saving

1214
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:15,760
ourselves from if if seaman timmy

1215
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:17,440
blabbed about the flying saucer he saw

1216
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,200
while out to sea

1217
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,359
yeah and i i'm being flippant

1218
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:24,000
but those are questions i'd like to see

1219
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:26,000
answered too if we have a chance some of

1220
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,359
the history of this

1221
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:29,280
should bring up some very very big

1222
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:34,069
since you've really looked into this

1223
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:36,319
deeply and i i do want to there's a

1224
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:38,240
number of things i want to ask and more

1225
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:39,760
less in the second hour we'll go into

1226
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,040
those type of things but have you looked

1227
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:45,760
at all into what they call the usos you

1228
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:47,680
know underwater

1229
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:49,520
um yeah because that fascinates me and

1230
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:52,160
you being a navy guy i would think that

1231
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,839
that would kind of be an interest of

1232
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:55,440
yours possibly

1233
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,520
well the i can tell you from first hand

1234
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,520
now granted it's hearsay but

1235
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:01,440
off the record the sonar text that i was

1236
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:02,960
with on princeton

1237
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:04,000
they're not interested in being

1238
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:06,079
identified i've spoken to a couple of

1239
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:07,440
them and if they want to come forward

1240
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:09,680
they they know how easily they could

1241
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:12,000
but they said sean they were all over

1242
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:13,599
the place under the water they were

1243
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:15,680
zipping back and forth like crazy

1244
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,560
and

1245
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:18,240
that prompted me to make calls to some

1246
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:19,520
folks that i knew that were in ballistic

1247
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,200
missile submarines during the 60s and

1248
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:23,119
70s up around the arctic circle and the

1249
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:25,040
dew line and they told me the same thing

1250
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:26,800
and they said that there was a culture

1251
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:29,520
on the boat to not make those log

1252
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:32,480
entries that they just happened and

1253
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:34,560
you just let it happen

1254
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,359
now i i'd really like to know why

1255
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:39,839
that is quite amazing now mark d'antonio

1256
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:40,960
who was

1257
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:42,800
um he's an astronomer he was on my show

1258
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:44,880
last week i've been friends with him for

1259
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:46,640
a number of years

1260
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:49,760
he worked for the uh as a contractor did

1261
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:51,680
a project for the navy and he got a

1262
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,920
submarine ride on a maiden voyage or

1263
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:55,200
whatever they call it

1264
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:58,240
and uh there was a uh what they called a

1265
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:00,640
fast walker situation where something

1266
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,680
was going 200 knots underwater

1267
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:05,760
and the kind of the same thing i don't

1268
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:08,160
know if it was logged or not

1269
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,960
but um but that was here he is a

1270
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:12,240
civilian

1271
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,240
and he's right in there in the in the

1272
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:16,480
mix of it and here's the whole thing

1273
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,880
happening which i think is extraordinary

1274
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:20,640
and you know he just happens to be on

1275
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:23,200
there when that happens which makes me

1276
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:24,640
totally believe what these people are

1277
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:26,960
telling you that it happens all the time

1278
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:29,920
and it's very intriguing because in in

1279
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:32,240
in the medium of water

1280
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,880
we have our own you have your own um

1281
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,720
benchmarks for speed like we do in the

1282
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,400
atmosphere you know when an aircraft

1283
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,119
hits hits a supersonic envelope

1284
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:43,520
there's there's action that happens and

1285
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:44,800
when you get to a certain speed

1286
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:46,400
underneath water you have what's called

1287
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:47,760
cavitation

1288
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:50,960
and these things are not cavitating

1289
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:52,400
just like there's no sound barrier

1290
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,680
breaking

1291
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:54,720
correct

1292
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:55,599
yeah

1293
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:57,680
and so that that's

1294
00:47:02,150 --> 00:46:59,920
that's not our tech i mean i'll i'll say

1295
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:02,160
that in the blanket way you know and

1296
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:03,440
yeah it's easy for me to say because

1297
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:04,960
nobody can prove me wrong it right now

1298
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:07,440
but i don't think that's our tech

1299
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,640
that is

1300
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,240
that's what we covet at the end of the

1301
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:12,720
rainbow for any you know for any of this

1302
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:15,200
stuff we want to go that far that fast

1303
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:17,599
that smooth we can't

1304
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:22,160
how i wonder um there's probably a um

1305
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:24,319
algorithm for how this works or a rule

1306
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:26,160
of thumb or in physics

1307
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:28,240
about how fast something can go under

1308
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,119
water before cavitation occurs and does

1309
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:33,359
that have to do with propulsion or just

1310
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,920
the speed of it

1311
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:37,440
um

1312
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:39,359
i you know i i'm not an expert on this

1313
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:40,800
but i will say what i do know about our

1314
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:42,160
submarine fleet is that there are

1315
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:43,920
designs that we can

1316
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:44,880
um

1317
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:46,240
there there are ways to design a

1318
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:50,240
submarine ways to design torpedoes um

1319
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:52,400
so that they can so the like we have

1320
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:54,800
super cavitating torpedoes that go very

1321
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:57,760
very very fast those are classified uh

1322
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:58,880
in their

1323
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:01,440
nomenclature but

1324
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:04,079
a you can reduce cavitation so a

1325
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:05,760
submarine you don't want to advertise

1326
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:08,160
that noise so they do do certain things

1327
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:10,880
to the design and the the way that the

1328
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:13,599
screws work and the way that the

1329
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:15,839
the way that it

1330
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:17,440
it moves

1331
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:19,760
that reduce cavitation

1332
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,559
but i i i don't have the um

1333
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:24,240
i don't i don't have the information to

1334
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:26,000
say

1335
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:28,319
where at whether it would be due to

1336
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:30,240
propulsion or not i understand what

1337
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:31,680
you're saying is it an effect of an

1338
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:35,200
esoteric technology that's bypassing

1339
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,160
um

1340
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:38,240
what we're doing or is it is it an

1341
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:39,440
effective

1342
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,839
of structure or speed i i

1343
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:43,920
there's a lot of questions there

1344
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:45,440
yeah and there's a whole lot of ques i

1345
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:46,960
mean there's a whole lot of questions

1346
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:50,640
when it comes to usos in general like

1347
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:52,000
what are they doing under there if

1348
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,760
they're there and you know the earth is

1349
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:55,440
i think 73

1350
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:56,400
ocean

1351
00:49:02,549 --> 00:48:58,960
you know it's really high um so that's

1352
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,559
that's such a a large part of our

1353
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:04,079
our surface

1354
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:06,800
and these things could certainly hide

1355
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:08,559
under there but

1356
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:09,680
why

1357
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:12,000
and what would they be doing there and

1358
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:14,240
at what end are they for me occam's

1359
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:16,640
razor says because we're not there

1360
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:19,440
if you take a look at google shipping

1361
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:20,640
lanes

1362
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:23,040
and aircraft travel

1363
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:25,040
lanes and you will find that all of us

1364
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:26,720
travel around the globe on a few

1365
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,880
different lines and there are giant

1366
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:30,480
swaths of ocean

1367
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,480
we don't want every nose too no you

1368
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:34,000
don't want to be there in a shipwreck

1369
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:36,079
either you know no then in iraq we don't

1370
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:37,760
fight we're not fighting naval battles

1371
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:39,440
in the middle of the pacific with anyone

1372
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:42,000
our ships are going from place to place

1373
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:43,839
and and our goods and services and

1374
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:45,440
cruises and everything you might have a

1375
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:47,520
you know an oceanographic explorer

1376
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:49,280
that's in an interesting area doing

1377
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:50,960
placing noaa buoys or something like

1378
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:52,559
that but

1379
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:54,480
there are swaths the size of texas where

1380
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:56,800
there's not a human being in right now

1381
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:58,400
yeah yeah

1382
00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:00,960
so there's just so much

1383
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:02,800
it's so vast

1384
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,599
and

1385
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:05,920
but another thing is you know i i'm

1386
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:08,079
thinking like a human okay

1387
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:09,119
so

1388
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:11,200
i wouldn't want to stay under the water

1389
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:14,000
you know i mean what is it there um if

1390
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,720
it's if it's a structured object

1391
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:18,960
under the water with let's say

1392
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:21,200
some type of being in it maybe not a

1393
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:22,960
being maybe it's

1394
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:25,040
a drone type of situation where it would

1395
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:27,839
be from would still be very interesting

1396
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:28,720
but

1397
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,280
uh you know i just wouldn't

1398
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:33,040
you know you think about you go down so

1399
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:34,800
many hundreds of feet and it's totally

1400
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:35,839
black

1401
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:38,160
down there you know so

1402
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:40,160
um it's kind of like why would you want

1403
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:42,559
to live on venus if you could

1404
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:44,079
you know

1405
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,800
can on this planet so we've you're

1406
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,880
wearing a spacesuit right now and so am

1407
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:52,640
i this was so you could leave you know

1408
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:54,160
this is so you can leave the house and

1409
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:55,839
not get too cold

1410
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:58,240
i've got a slightly thicker yeah yeah

1411
00:51:02,069 --> 00:50:59,680
well yeah yeah

1412
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:02,079
i've got some thicker spacesuits hanging

1413
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:03,839
up over there and some some helmets and

1414
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:05,920
things like that i'm being being cute

1415
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:07,280
here but

1416
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:09,839
everything that we do every tool that we

1417
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:11,839
have that isn't a part of this body is a

1418
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:13,760
means to get farther away from our base

1419
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:16,559
camp and and gain more resources

1420
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:17,440
so

1421
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:19,359
if you have a techn in my mind if you

1422
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:21,040
have a technology

1423
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:23,680
that's that is able to exhibit the five

1424
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:25,359
observables to me there there's a lot of

1425
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,880
follow-on conclusions from that as to

1426
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:28,400
what you could accomplish and it seems

1427
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:30,800
like you're taking your here with you

1428
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:32,559
wherever you go so

1429
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:34,480
just like we're happy to be in the rain

1430
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:36,319
with an umbrella they may have no

1431
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:37,520
problem

1432
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:39,680
uh due to the level of technology they

1433
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:41,040
have being comfortable wherever they

1434
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:42,240
like

1435
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:44,720
so all right so again thinking in human

1436
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:46,160
terms

1437
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:47,680
which probably

1438
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:49,520
may not make any sense at all for

1439
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:51,119
whatever they are

1440
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:51,839
but

1441
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:53,359
what would you be doing

1442
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:56,559
under the water would you be exploring

1443
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:59,119
uh the life that's there uh

1444
00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:00,640
non-intelligent life except for

1445
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,800
octopuses and dolphins and

1446
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:04,880
some whales and things like that but i

1447
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:06,640
mean kind of a lower you know

1448
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:07,839
intelligence

1449
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:10,079
uh it seems like

1450
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:11,200
you'd be

1451
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:12,880
i mean i just wonder

1452
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:14,800
if they're there all the time

1453
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:17,680
what what is uh why

1454
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,760
and this is all speculation

1455
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:21,359
and i'm happy to speculate with you to

1456
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:22,880
me they're avoiding they're to me

1457
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:24,480
they're avoiding us when it's not

1458
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:25,760
advantageous

1459
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:30,480
so um

1460
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:31,599
they're not

1461
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:34,400
this is the thing for me and it

1462
00:52:38,750 --> 00:52:37,040
because i face a lot of um

1463
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:38,760
very light

1464
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:41,599
anti-military and anti-government uh

1465
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:43,599
venom from you know friends colleagues

1466
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:46,079
and families people who who want to a

1467
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:48,400
chance to rant at the machine and then

1468
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:50,079
point at somebody for five minutes while

1469
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:51,359
they do it

1470
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:53,440
and i go when i when they're done i go

1471
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:56,000
okay are you done because that wasn't me

1472
00:53:04,230 --> 00:52:59,520
and and you know what i mean like i

1473
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:06,150
if they're avoiding us

1474
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:07,680
they're not landing on the white house

1475
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:09,119
lawn they didn't they're not landing at

1476
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:11,440
the super bowl at least not yet there's

1477
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:13,599
not a big light show in the sky over new

1478
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:14,480
york

1479
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:17,839
that that two million people saw you

1480
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:19,760
know what i mean when we have flaps they

1481
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:22,240
don't they don't seem to work like that

1482
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:23,599
they can let us know who they are

1483
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:26,000
anytime they want to right

1484
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:26,960
and

1485
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:32,240
movies that we all imagined but it seems

1486
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:33,839
like these things are shooting in and

1487
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:35,280
out of the ocean and coming in from

1488
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:36,240
space

1489
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:38,880
so again i'm not painting a picture of

1490
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,079
invasion

1491
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:42,400
okay that's not a word that i would use

1492
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:44,720
but if you have an external source that

1493
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:46,800
is that is coming here the first thing

1494
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:47,920
that they're going to do is the same

1495
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:49,280
things we're going to do if we're in the

1496
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:51,359
same situation you're going to send

1497
00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:53,599
covert intelligence

1498
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:55,839
military and scientists you know they're

1499
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:57,920
going to be people there to to protect

1500
00:54:01,750 --> 00:54:00,079
the the civilians and the scientists but

1501
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:01,760
in general you're going into hostile

1502
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:03,760
unknown territory and if

1503
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:06,160
if a lot of people speculate

1504
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:07,760
as a lot of people speculate if they

1505
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:09,680
showed up after our first detonations of

1506
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:11,440
nuclear devices or us first splitting

1507
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,640
the atom

1508
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:14,400
i imagine they would be pretty wary of

1509
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,720
us yes um we're in the national world

1510
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:18,960
war we're in the middle of a practical

1511
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:21,599
race war right now we're so polarized

1512
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,599
right now it's ridiculous

1513
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:25,359
and

1514
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,559
i just

1515
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:28,559
i think folks need a more realistic view

1516
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:30,800
of who we are what we are what's going

1517
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:33,040
on etc when they apply it to this

1518
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:34,720
subject it's not just as simple as the

1519
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:36,480
government knows and won't tell us how

1520
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,079
about the ufos know when they won't tell

1521
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:41,430
so

1522
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:43,520
yeah

1523
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:47,520
it's it's all fascinating and

1524
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:50,319
you know uh i wonder if uh

1525
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:53,359
this is gonna sound really silly

1526
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:54,720
but i wonder if then

1527
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:57,280
any of whoever it is out there that's

1528
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:58,799
visiting us

1529
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:00,400
knew that we had

1530
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:02,960
this hearing today

1531
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:05,200
or we're not are we not that important

1532
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:07,040
you know we like the are we like the

1533
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:08,000
ants

1534
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:09,839
and the ant hill

1535
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:11,200
i'm uh

1536
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:12,880
at the risk of uh

1537
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:14,720
sounding like like mr moultrie today i

1538
00:55:18,789 --> 00:55:17,520
am also a science fiction fan um

1539
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:18,799
and

1540
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:20,960
i'm really enjoying the the newest

1541
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:23,119
iteration of star trek um strange new

1542
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:24,160
worlds

1543
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:26,319
and pardon me spoiler alert for anybody

1544
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:27,680
who hasn't seen it yet because i i'm

1545
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:29,839
gonna i'm gonna spoil the generalized

1546
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:32,799
plot of the first episode which is

1547
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:35,599
a reverse roswell situation essentially

1548
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:37,520
they go to a planet that's that's

1549
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:39,839
roughly similar to us and the enterprise

1550
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:41,839
is the ufo and i think we've all seen

1551
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:44,000
that in the old program before but

1552
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:46,000
they did a modern spin on it it's it's

1553
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:47,359
something that i think a lot of people

1554
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:49,440
should take a look at because we're

1555
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:52,160
seeing in that episode what is our most

1556
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:55,200
hoped for best case scenario in a lot of

1557
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:57,520
people's hearts that one day this

1558
00:56:01,750 --> 00:55:58,400
this

1559
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:01,760
large unmistakable ship is going to

1560
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:03,760
appear somewhere and we're all just

1561
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:05,440
gonna wake up from our nonsense and go

1562
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,720
oh you're right it's a bigger universe

1563
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:08,000
we should stop fighting and everything

1564
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:09,599
else i i would love for that to happen

1565
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:10,960
if someone can show me where the switch

1566
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,200
is to flip for that i'll i'll

1567
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:15,119
do it in a minute yeah

1568
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:16,720
but i don't that hasn't happened in the

1569
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:18,960
last 70 years

1570
00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:21,040
and and it i don't

1571
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,799
i don't know of any plans for that to

1572
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:24,000
happen either

1573
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:24,960
um

1574
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:27,200
so again we're left holding the bag here

1575
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:29,200
and and government looks bad because

1576
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:30,319
they've been looking at it for longer

1577
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:31,440
than they're talking about it but

1578
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:32,799
there's nobody to point to to take

1579
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:34,559
responsibility

1580
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:36,319
that's right and it's you know it's

1581
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:38,160
generational you know the people that

1582
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:41,920
were there in 1947

1583
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:44,400
are you know their long since passed and

1584
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:46,880
generation after generation you know

1585
00:56:50,430 --> 00:56:48,880
they pass the baton or pass the

1586
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:50,440
information or whatever

1587
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:52,640
compartmentalized somehow

1588
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:55,440
uh if that's how it's done if there's

1589
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:57,680
files somewhere you know the roswell

1590
00:57:02,069 --> 00:56:59,359
file box

1591
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:02,079
you know tucked away somewhere uh

1592
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:05,599
it's all it's all interesting and and it

1593
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:07,440
would be really

1594
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:09,359
you know if only we could know what they

1595
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:10,480
know

1596
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:16,720
be there seems like there would be

1597
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:18,880
more that they could share that they

1598
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:20,880
have learned over the years that

1599
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,319
wouldn't shake our society

1600
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:26,880
and and i'm i completely agree with you

1601
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:29,599
that that information should exist

1602
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:31,359
um it has to

1603
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:32,880
and and we're but we're back to the

1604
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:34,799
who's the day we're gonna point at you

1605
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:36,400
know now we're gonna point at the uap

1606
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:37,760
task force and we're gonna point at the

1607
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:38,960
folks that were in the room in the

1608
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:40,960
congressional hearing

1609
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:41,680
but

1610
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:43,520
it's really unless we're going to point

1611
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:45,760
at an edifice like air force which i

1612
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:48,160
thought we just did with the task force

1613
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:50,240
where is where are their submissions

1614
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:52,720
where is this where is it where's the

1615
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:55,040
forklifts full of data they've collected

1616
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:56,160
yeah i'm glad you i'm glad you're

1617
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,480
bringing that topic up because that has

1618
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:00,720
that has been really curious that the

1619
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:03,200
navy has been the one to take the lead

1620
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:04,319
on this and i

1621
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:08,319
i did hear uh um scott brace say today

1622
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:09,680
that um

1623
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:12,480
these um you know the information the

1624
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:14,079
protocols are going to be on the knee

1625
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:16,720
board in the cockpit and he said navy

1626
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:19,359
and air force he did say air force

1627
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:22,400
as well so but it's not them taking the

1628
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:24,640
lead and uh

1629
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:27,280
that that is a very strange situation

1630
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,200
because they have you know they were

1631
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:31,839
they were a project blue book for one

1632
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:34,480
you know and uh and

1633
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:36,559
why i wonder why

1634
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:39,280
as as of right now perhaps not anymore i

1635
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:41,119
could be over overstepping here but as

1636
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:43,920
of the formation of of space force

1637
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:46,319
u.s air force had

1638
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:48,079
tactical and strategic control over our

1639
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:50,240
air space and lower earth orbit for the

1640
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:52,160
united states

1641
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:58,150
it makes no sense

1642
00:59:01,349 --> 00:58:59,359
that

1643
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:01,359
our maritime force

1644
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:03,119
would be running this

1645
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:05,200
now granted they have a very substantial

1646
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:07,119
air force of their own and high-tech

1647
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:09,760
satellites and and you know and our our

1648
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,839
our ships are of some of the and

1649
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:13,200
aircraft are some of the highest tech

1650
00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:14,720
that we have

1651
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:16,960
but that would seem like a real blow to

1652
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:20,480
me as as as an air force leader to have

1653
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:22,559
a aerospace mission taken from me and

1654
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:24,799
given to our maritime force now i'm navy

1655
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,799
i'm happy about it i'm proud that we

1656
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:28,240
i don't know why that's dumb but i'm

1657
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:29,839
proud the navy's running it

1658
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:32,079
um but yeah where is air force where

1659
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:34,160
they're not even in the room

1660
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:36,640
yes yeah and you know one thing you said

1661
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:38,640
i heard you say just a few minutes ago

1662
00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:41,359
like if you could flip the switch of you

1663
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:43,760
know them presenting themself you know

1664
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:46,559
maybe we would stop the fighting um

1665
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:48,000
because it is kind of ridiculous it's

1666
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:49,680
kind of like ronald reagan said several

1667
00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:52,640
times you know if if we were presented

1668
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:54,319
with that you know we would all come

1669
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:57,359
together as one it's it's a nice fantasy

1670
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:59,359
to think that but

1671
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:01,920
it also makes me think of okay this this

1672
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:04,319
hearing happened today uh why can't it

1673
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:07,440
be more of a worldwide

1674
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:08,559
situation

1675
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:11,040
i mean because there's so much data that

1676
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:12,319
could be

1677
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:14,480
passed back and forth through every

1678
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:15,440
country

1679
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:18,079
brazil's very open mind to it francis

1680
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:20,640
uh a few others you know i mean

1681
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:23,760
even china has an interest in it um but

1682
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:26,880
it just seems like it would this is not

1683
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:29,359
this is not shouldn't be confined to a

1684
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:30,640
country

1685
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:33,359
it's something that involves our whole

1686
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:35,119
entire planet

1687
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:37,760
um you know i can understand that if

1688
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:40,000
they think if they totally think it's an

1689
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:41,359
adversary

1690
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:43,599
but they have to have enough data to

1691
01:00:47,349 --> 01:00:44,960
show that it's

1692
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:47,359
you know it's outside of that most of it

1693
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:49,760
it has to be outside of that especially

1694
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:51,760
when their objects are displaying

1695
01:00:54,829 --> 01:00:54,079
technology that defies physics

1696
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:54,839
and

1697
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:57,680
science so yeah

1698
01:01:01,589 --> 01:00:59,599
i i think that that we have a long way

1699
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:01,599
to go in

1700
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:03,520
in

1701
01:01:13,589 --> 01:01:12,000
bottleneck but there's so much

1702
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:13,599
information out there

1703
01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:15,200
and so many assumptions that are made

1704
01:01:19,349 --> 01:01:16,720
across the board on all of our accounts

1705
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:19,359
for you for me for for experts for fans

1706
01:01:21,750 --> 01:01:20,400
alike

1707
01:01:25,270 --> 01:01:21,760
and

1708
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:25,280
it nobody is has stepped up yet

1709
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:26,400
and

1710
01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:29,440
i see i see frustration on on the faces

1711
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:31,040
of our representatives some of them are

1712
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:35,680
downright um downright angry frankly um

1713
01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:36,720
but

1714
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:38,319
the question remains how long will it

1715
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:40,000
take us to get where we're supposed to

1716
01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:40,880
be

1717
01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:42,319
and

1718
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:47,440
will the people in government that are

1719
01:01:50,309 --> 01:01:49,119
that are doing this work for us right

1720
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:50,319
now

1721
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:52,240
do they feel a responsibility to help

1722
01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:54,559
shepherd us into understanding

1723
01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:56,799
or do they just feel that they need to

1724
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:58,640
make data dumps to the american public

1725
01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:00,880
and walk away because this this is not a

1726
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:02,400
simple subject

1727
01:02:06,870 --> 01:02:04,720
um it has been

1728
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:06,880
tainted with misinfo and disinfo over

1729
01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:08,640
the years and people should should

1730
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:10,400
should define what those things mean for

1731
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:12,799
themselves they're very different things

1732
01:02:16,069 --> 01:02:13,520
but

1733
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:16,079
the the ufology community itself for

1734
01:02:21,510 --> 01:02:18,400
years has been targeted by russian

1735
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:21,520
disinfo they they really enjoy

1736
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,799
putting conspiracy and hyperbole and

1737
01:02:29,109 --> 01:02:26,400
things like that into the american

1738
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:29,119
zeitgeist to confuse american folks

1739
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:31,520
um people should not be surprised about

1740
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:33,119
that so

1741
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:34,400
examining our

1742
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:36,240
our

1743
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:40,400
international confirmation bias

1744
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:43,920
um as as to what we what we expect what

1745
01:02:48,069 --> 01:02:45,520
we can deliver

1746
01:02:50,309 --> 01:02:48,079
um and then truly asking the hard the

1747
01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:50,319
really hard questions yeah at the risk

1748
01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:53,039
of of upsetting some friends

1749
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:53,920
um

1750
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:55,920
i i had the opportunity today on on a

1751
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:57,599
bbc interview

1752
01:03:02,710 --> 01:02:59,359
to ask the question why are our five

1753
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:02,720
eyes partners in in great britain not on

1754
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:04,480
the same page with us as to the reality

1755
01:03:08,549 --> 01:03:05,760
of this situation we're sharing

1756
01:03:09,750 --> 01:03:08,559
intelligence we're sharing we share

1757
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:09,760
you know

1758
01:03:12,549 --> 01:03:11,520
military data and intelligence data

1759
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:12,559
across the board because of our

1760
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:13,760
partnerships

1761
01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:15,760
and yet the mod still says nothing to

1762
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:17,039
see here we don't think this is an

1763
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:18,960
important subject while the united

1764
01:03:22,870 --> 01:03:21,119
states is holding open hearings

1765
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:22,880
so folks in the uk and in the ministry

1766
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:24,720
of defense need to ask themselves why

1767
01:03:28,069 --> 01:03:26,319
aren't we on the same page why aren't

1768
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:28,079
you stepping up where we are in helping

1769
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:29,280
us out

1770
01:03:35,109 --> 01:03:32,319
hmm well you know that may be the dom

1771
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:35,119
you know this may be a domino situation

1772
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:37,280
you know perhaps uh

1773
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:39,839
we'll see how this is received what i'm

1774
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:42,480
hoping doesn't happen is that this is an

1775
01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:44,400
ephemeral thing and like everyone like

1776
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:47,440
okay move along what's next you know of

1777
01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:49,359
course with all the crazy news going on

1778
01:03:54,309 --> 01:03:52,240
constantly it's it's is this is this is

1779
01:03:56,710 --> 01:03:54,319
going to be a blip to the average person

1780
01:03:58,069 --> 01:03:56,720
probably i don't know i don't know how

1781
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:58,079
much this is going to be covered in the

1782
01:04:01,190 --> 01:04:00,240
news hopefully a lot

1783
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:01,200
um

1784
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:04,319
so

1785
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:09,520
that is talked about a little bit and

1786
01:04:14,789 --> 01:04:12,880
then no one really cares to me uh it's

1787
01:04:16,630 --> 01:04:14,799
kind of like i feel like my friend today

1788
01:04:18,789 --> 01:04:16,640
that text me it's almost like the moon

1789
01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:18,799
landing it's it's a big deal

1790
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:20,240
i think it is

1791
01:04:24,549 --> 01:04:23,359
i don't think it's gonna go away um

1792
01:04:27,029 --> 01:04:24,559
like uh

1793
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:27,039
like ralph i'm i'm privy to a few things

1794
01:04:31,109 --> 01:04:28,480
a little bit ahead of when they come out

1795
01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:31,119
because i i work on the end where we try

1796
01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:33,119
to make some of these things happen

1797
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:34,079
um

1798
01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:36,000
a lot of the things as we say behind the

1799
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:37,280
scenes i know people are tired of

1800
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:39,119
hearing that but a lot of the things

1801
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:40,480
happening behind the scenes are getting

1802
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:42,960
getting real traction uh getting real

1803
01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:44,640
support this has

1804
01:04:49,589 --> 01:04:47,440
spread out much far beyond where i think

1805
01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:49,599
a lot of people understand where it's

1806
01:04:53,670 --> 01:04:51,920
being talked about is almost everywhere

1807
01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:53,680
in in leadership and influence at this

1808
01:04:57,270 --> 01:04:54,400
point

1809
01:04:59,349 --> 01:04:57,280
um word has made its way around

1810
01:05:00,549 --> 01:04:59,359
now it's time for the people those

1811
01:05:02,470 --> 01:05:00,559
thought leaders

1812
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:02,480
those influencers for lack of a better

1813
01:05:07,829 --> 01:05:05,119
word and even to a certain extent even

1814
01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:07,839
some of our celebrities and other folks

1815
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:09,440
it's time for them to add dignity to

1816
01:05:12,789 --> 01:05:11,200
this the way that the hearings on the

1817
01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:12,799
hill did because that's how we

1818
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:14,559
communicate to each other we communicate

1819
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:17,280
via our media and we have we have people

1820
01:05:20,829 --> 01:05:19,039
in our country that we allow to do our

1821
01:05:23,029 --> 01:05:20,839
talking for us not necessarily our

1822
01:05:24,549 --> 01:05:23,039
thinking but a lot of our talking and

1823
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:24,559
then we kind of line up with who we

1824
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:27,200
agree with and we reshuffle the deck

1825
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:28,079
um

1826
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:30,960
but this is really spread out very very

1827
01:05:34,630 --> 01:05:31,920
far

1828
01:05:37,029 --> 01:05:34,640
so i would expect while you're gonna see

1829
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:37,039
a great deal going on in the private

1830
01:05:41,430 --> 01:05:38,720
sector in an industry with people trying

1831
01:05:43,829 --> 01:05:41,440
to find ways to capitalize on on new

1832
01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:43,839
paradigms new technology new ideas and

1833
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:45,200
things like that

1834
01:05:49,270 --> 01:05:48,000
you're also seeing people that that are

1835
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:49,280
thought leaders

1836
01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:50,640
academics

1837
01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:53,440
um researchers who weren't

1838
01:05:57,750 --> 01:05:55,839
turned on to the reality of this

1839
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:57,760
turning their acumen towards it so i

1840
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:59,039
think we're going to see a huge

1841
01:06:01,829 --> 01:06:00,319
explosion

1842
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:01,839
in um

1843
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:03,039
in

1844
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:06,720
gonna we're gonna get a lot more experts

1845
01:06:09,510 --> 01:06:08,319
helping us to to weed out some of the

1846
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:09,520
nonsense

1847
01:06:12,309 --> 01:06:10,880
um and i think we're gonna come up with

1848
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:12,319
new questions but i don't think it's

1849
01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:13,680
gonna go away

1850
01:06:18,309 --> 01:06:15,920
uh it would be a very bad optic for the

1851
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:18,319
u.s government to have come this far and

1852
01:06:24,630 --> 01:06:20,160
to have

1853
01:06:25,750 --> 01:06:24,640
become as popular as subject as it is

1854
01:06:26,950 --> 01:06:25,760
right now

1855
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:26,960
and then think that they're going to be

1856
01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:28,880
able to to turn out the lights and sneak

1857
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:31,039
away without telling anybody

1858
01:06:35,029 --> 01:06:34,079
excellent point excellent point i agree

1859
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:35,039
um

1860
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:36,000
and

1861
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:38,160
you know so i i do think it's it's

1862
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:41,280
moving forward and one of the things i

1863
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:43,440
really liked that uh

1864
01:06:46,950 --> 01:06:45,599
uh scott bray had to say

1865
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:46,960
was that

1866
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:50,160
all of the different areas of expertise

1867
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:51,359
that is

1868
01:06:56,230 --> 01:06:53,520
he's getting involved in this

1869
01:06:59,109 --> 01:06:56,240
you know uh hundreds of scientists when

1870
01:07:01,589 --> 01:06:59,119
you hear that i remember when i started

1871
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:01,599
the show uh that was something i brought

1872
01:07:06,069 --> 01:07:03,760
up a lot why doesn't science get

1873
01:07:08,309 --> 01:07:06,079
involved in this oh because they can't

1874
01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:08,319
get funding or because it's taboo it's a

1875
01:07:13,910 --> 01:07:11,920
career killer and all that is going away

1876
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:13,920
i don't know about the funding the the

1877
01:07:18,309 --> 01:07:16,079
issue with funding for most scientists

1878
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:18,319
is that it has to be something solvable

1879
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:20,319
something that has an end you know that

1880
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:23,839
they can work toward which this um you

1881
01:07:29,109 --> 01:07:26,880
can never we may never know you know

1882
01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:29,119
in another 50 years we still may not

1883
01:07:32,630 --> 01:07:30,799
really know but at least

1884
01:07:35,349 --> 01:07:32,640
it could be explored

1885
01:07:38,549 --> 01:07:35,359
and you know hints and clues of what

1886
01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:38,559
actually may be going on i mean i hope

1887
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:40,960
that it's discovered exactly what's

1888
01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:43,280
going on but that's all i have is hope i

1889
01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:46,000
i really don't know you know we may

1890
01:07:49,510 --> 01:07:47,520
it's it's uh

1891
01:07:50,950 --> 01:07:49,520
it's not an easy thing to capture

1892
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:50,960
whatever it is

1893
01:07:55,750 --> 01:07:53,039
we live in a very interesting and

1894
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:55,760
dynamic universe and we we for the sake

1895
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:57,760
of conversation we also all

1896
01:08:02,549 --> 01:08:00,000
pardon me we often default to the idea

1897
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:02,559
of of what other people call aliens

1898
01:08:08,950 --> 01:08:06,240
and aliens being either a non-human or

1899
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:08,960
an off-world species or something that

1900
01:08:14,470 --> 01:08:11,599
came here in a spaceship of some kind

1901
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:14,480
but without getting too cheeky um using

1902
01:08:19,189 --> 01:08:16,960
the the marvel movies as a reference

1903
01:08:19,990 --> 01:08:19,199
which most of us have seen them now

1904
01:08:22,630 --> 01:08:20,000
um

1905
01:08:24,149 --> 01:08:22,640
the marvel movies speak of the universe

1906
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:24,159
they talk about a universe that's

1907
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:27,199
multifaceted and physics shows us that

1908
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:29,120
we live in a multi-faceted universe even

1909
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:31,199
if we're only focused on one facet at a

1910
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:32,400
time

1911
01:08:37,269 --> 01:08:34,640
um so if we were to find out that we

1912
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:37,279
were bumping into some aspect of the

1913
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:39,839
multiverse or seeing echoes of another

1914
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:41,759
earth or something like that and again

1915
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:43,440
wild speculation

1916
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:46,799
it would be a very different

1917
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:48,080
thing

1918
01:08:52,630 --> 01:08:51,359
than an alien with a name in an in a

1919
01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:52,640
vehicle

1920
01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:54,880
making a trip from one rock to another

1921
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:56,880
in a vast universe

1922
01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:58,560
um and it might be something that

1923
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:00,560
continues

1924
01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:03,440
forever without us ever understanding it

1925
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:04,640
um

1926
01:09:08,309 --> 01:09:06,640
and so those are that side of the coin

1927
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:08,319
is kind of the other end of there's

1928
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:09,839
something weird going on but it's not

1929
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:12,000
exactly what you think those those are

1930
01:09:15,669 --> 01:09:14,400
possibilities we have to we have to take

1931
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:15,679
into account

1932
01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:17,199
um

1933
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:18,880
and so that that's going to require just

1934
01:09:22,149 --> 01:09:20,640
so much more science because what we're

1935
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:22,159
talking about here is really just

1936
01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:23,759
observation we're going to we're going

1937
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:25,279
to sit here

1938
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:26,719
on our rock

1939
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:28,960
and look at the universe with as much

1940
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:30,799
ability as we can and try to gather

1941
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:32,560
information

1942
01:09:35,829 --> 01:09:34,400
that has to be applied to this now

1943
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:35,839
completely across the board full

1944
01:09:39,430 --> 01:09:36,880
spectrum

1945
01:09:42,149 --> 01:09:39,440
right right and i wonder

1946
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:42,159
if let's say a person has

1947
01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:44,880
a fear or they say that

1948
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:46,719
groups of religion or whatever have a

1949
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:47,520
fear

1950
01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:49,600
of that there's

1951
01:09:53,829 --> 01:09:51,679
you know like if they found out aliens

1952
01:09:56,790 --> 01:09:53,839
were visiting us from another rock as

1953
01:09:58,709 --> 01:09:56,800
you say um that oh my you know what does

1954
01:10:00,149 --> 01:09:58,719
this mean and you know oh god it's

1955
01:10:00,950 --> 01:10:00,159
terrible and you know all this type of

1956
01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:00,960
thing

1957
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:02,640
they could absolutely have the same type

1958
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:05,040
of fear if it was from another dimension

1959
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:08,400
or another multiverse i mean it's still

1960
01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:11,040
like you said alien to us

1961
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:13,280
and uh it would still be very hard to

1962
01:10:17,430 --> 01:10:15,280
understand and explain

1963
01:10:18,630 --> 01:10:17,440
and what's the difference between a

1964
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:18,640
demon

1965
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:23,440
per per a a religious um definition

1966
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:26,000
and an extra dimensional

1967
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:28,239
animal that wants to take your resources

1968
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:31,679
and exploit you i i just i don't i see

1969
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:34,080
semantics here you know what i mean so

1970
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:36,159
and there are people that think that uh

1971
01:10:40,149 --> 01:10:38,239
that think that that's partially if not

1972
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:40,159
holy what we're dealing with

1973
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:41,199
and

1974
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:42,960
i i think it again we're back to that

1975
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:45,120
that unity aspect of this

1976
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:47,600
because this is not a national subject

1977
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:50,159
this is not a partisan subject it's not

1978
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:52,560
a regional or a continental subject it

1979
01:10:56,229 --> 01:10:54,719
is a global subject this is going to

1980
01:10:58,149 --> 01:10:56,239
affect all of us

1981
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:58,159
and unless i'm wildly wrong i don't

1982
01:11:01,750 --> 01:10:59,920
think it's gonna it's owned by any one

1983
01:11:03,189 --> 01:11:01,760
specific religion because i think it's

1984
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:03,199
pretty obvious to me that all of our

1985
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:04,320
religions are

1986
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:05,440
again

1987
01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:07,199
trying to view something from their own

1988
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:09,520
facet and they're part of the whole

1989
01:11:13,669 --> 01:11:11,920
um i think of our religious leaders and

1990
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:13,679
our theologians

1991
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:15,600
did the unthinkable and came together in

1992
01:11:19,270 --> 01:11:17,199
the same room and started comparing

1993
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:19,280
commonality of experience and things

1994
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:20,960
like that they could be very helpful for

1995
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:24,400
this process but if we have any group

1996
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:26,400
any major

1997
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:28,960
subset of humanity that tries to own

1998
01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:30,960
this without the rest of us

1999
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:32,719
we can't let that happen this is for

2000
01:11:35,830 --> 01:11:35,040
eight billion people that's whatever it

2001
01:11:38,070 --> 01:11:35,840
is

2002
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:38,080
um and it's incredibly important that we

2003
01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:41,120
don't allow it to go that way so

2004
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:42,800
what i see in in

2005
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:44,880
i'm actually pretty happy with the

2006
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:47,040
communications i've had with with folks

2007
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:49,360
in in for lack of a better word in the

2008
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:50,880
religious sphere

2009
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:51,760
um

2010
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:53,360
the catholic church seems ready to talk

2011
01:11:54,940 --> 01:11:54,560
about this

2012
01:11:56,070 --> 01:11:54,950
um

2013
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:56,080
[Music]

2014
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:58,239
yes yeah the sufis have a pretty good

2015
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:01,040
idea of they believe of what they're

2016
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:02,960
talking about um

2017
01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:05,040
in general jewish tradition will hold

2018
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:06,400
this up so

2019
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:08,640
move into the eastern religions and and

2020
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:10,000
you know the larger things surrounding

2021
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:11,920
buddhism and hinduism they're ready too

2022
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:13,199
they'll they'll tell you who we're

2023
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:14,320
dealing with

2024
01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:17,120
um like a lot of other folks so

2025
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:18,400
it

2026
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:19,520
we need

2027
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:23,040
that there's this this metaphor of us

2028
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:24,719
we're all in a gymnasium and since we're

2029
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:27,120
so polarized in this world right now i

2030
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:29,040
think it fits you got half the team on

2031
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:30,960
this side of the gym and the other team

2032
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:32,480
on the other half for the gym we're all

2033
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:34,239
trying to describe one object that's in

2034
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:35,520
the center of the gym but we're not

2035
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:37,199
comparing

2036
01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:38,800
i'm not asking what you see over there

2037
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:40,400
i'm telling you what i see from over

2038
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:42,480
here we need that group to come together

2039
01:12:45,189 --> 01:12:43,840
and kind of start walking around in a

2040
01:12:47,189 --> 01:12:45,199
circle and seeing the whole thing

2041
01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:47,199
together um not just sitting in their

2042
01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:48,719
little their little comfy spot and

2043
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:50,800
telling the rest of us what it is

2044
01:12:56,149 --> 01:12:53,440
exactly very well said i i like the

2045
01:12:59,669 --> 01:12:56,159
metaphors it's perfect um so why don't

2046
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:59,679
we shift gears and let's talk about

2047
01:13:02,229 --> 01:13:01,360
2004

2048
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:02,239
and

2049
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:04,400
that whole situation if you wouldn't

2050
01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:07,840
mind uh you know i would say that 95 of

2051
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:09,920
the people that listen to the show

2052
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:12,400
know quite a bit about the the whole

2053
01:13:17,669 --> 01:13:14,800
tic tac nimitz encounter but i want to

2054
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:17,679
hear it from your perspective if you'd

2055
01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:19,440
like to share it with us

2056
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:21,440
you know i've told it so many times now

2057
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:22,960
that i'm going to tell it but i'm going

2058
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:24,640
to tell it a little differently than

2059
01:13:29,910 --> 01:13:26,800
than i have in the past because

2060
01:13:31,510 --> 01:13:29,920
we've come so far now since 2004

2061
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:31,520
and we've come so far in the last few

2062
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:32,800
years

2063
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:35,440
we wouldn't be here without kevin day

2064
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:38,080
if senior chief kevin day had not been

2065
01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:40,159
paying attention

2066
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:42,960
and had not been a science fiction fan

2067
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:44,640
like they muddied the water with mr

2068
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:46,640
moultrie today

2069
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:49,679
he might not have had

2070
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:52,320
the wherewithal to say anything

2071
01:13:56,229 --> 01:13:54,159
but he was he was a dedicated senior

2072
01:13:57,910 --> 01:13:56,239
chief petty officer he was an incredibly

2073
01:13:59,030 --> 01:13:57,920
consummate professional

2074
01:14:00,229 --> 01:13:59,040
and

2075
01:14:02,149 --> 01:14:00,239
there was no way this guy was going to

2076
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:02,159
let it go and he didn't he faced

2077
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:04,080
ridicule on the on the princeton even

2078
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:06,000
from his friends we all gave him hell

2079
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:07,440
hell over this thing even the day that

2080
01:14:10,229 --> 01:14:08,880
they finally sent the video over the

2081
01:14:11,830 --> 01:14:10,239
first thing i said to him is kevin what

2082
01:14:13,510 --> 01:14:11,840
the hell have you got me wasting my time

2083
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:13,520
chasing up there on the bridge

2084
01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:15,040
and the night before i'd seen him in the

2085
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:16,960
sky myself you know and i'd seen him on

2086
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:18,000
radar

2087
01:14:22,149 --> 01:14:19,600
and everything else and even even back

2088
01:14:25,030 --> 01:14:22,159
then i was still giving him hell for it

2089
01:14:26,709 --> 01:14:25,040
um so i just wanted to come out and say

2090
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:26,719
to kevin i wanted to say thank you so

2091
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:28,480
much because you started the

2092
01:14:32,229 --> 01:14:30,719
ball rolling on this in a modern fashion

2093
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:32,239
and i don't think we'd be here without

2094
01:14:36,070 --> 01:14:34,239
him i want to say before you move on

2095
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:36,080
with kevin just real quickly because i

2096
01:14:39,990 --> 01:14:38,800
think it's interesting um i had robert

2097
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:40,000
powell on

2098
01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:43,440
a number of years ago and kevin day was

2099
01:14:47,750 --> 01:14:45,679
watching that night

2100
01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:47,760
and he wrote a comment

2101
01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:50,480
and before that he was an unknown about

2102
01:14:54,390 --> 01:14:52,719
this whole situation and he wrote a

2103
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:54,400
comment and

2104
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:57,040
robert powell contacted me and said he's

2105
01:15:01,350 --> 01:14:58,719
connected with this guy that wrote a

2106
01:15:03,430 --> 01:15:01,360
comment and he looks like he's legit

2107
01:15:05,110 --> 01:15:03,440
that he has to do with the nimitz and

2108
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:05,120
i'm not saying i had anything to do with

2109
01:15:10,310 --> 01:15:07,280
him coming out but that's how he got in

2110
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:10,320
touch with robert uh powell and how when

2111
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:13,199
how it kind of went from there and uh uh

2112
01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:15,280
yeah kevin's a great guy he's taken this

2113
01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:17,600
very emotionally this has been a real

2114
01:15:21,189 --> 01:15:19,520
emotional thing for him

2115
01:15:24,630 --> 01:15:21,199
and you know i

2116
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:24,640
it kind of pains me to see how um how

2117
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:27,520
that has affected him but um i'm really

2118
01:15:30,630 --> 01:15:29,440
glad he's he's come out and talked about

2119
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:30,640
it

2120
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:31,520
yeah

2121
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:34,480
just wanted to put that i thought it was

2122
01:15:37,030 --> 01:15:36,000
kind of an interesting

2123
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:37,040
tidbit

2124
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:38,800
kevin's a great guy he initially

2125
01:15:43,750 --> 01:15:41,920
initiated me as a chief petty officer um

2126
01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:43,760
he he helped mold me into the leader

2127
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:45,679
that i became and

2128
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:47,280
this is an emotional subject for a lot

2129
01:15:51,430 --> 01:15:50,159
of folks um

2130
01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:51,440
but

2131
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:53,120
i i don't want to get into that aspect

2132
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:54,800
because i'm i'm i can dive down the

2133
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:56,159
emotional rabbit hole in a minute and

2134
01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:57,600
you'll lose me for the rest of the show

2135
01:16:01,110 --> 01:15:59,520
so

2136
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:01,120
um

2137
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:03,120
let me say that uh

2138
01:16:07,669 --> 01:16:06,480
so so thanks kevin seriously um but and

2139
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:07,679
beyond that i want to thank gary

2140
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:09,120
voorhees because i'll start telling the

2141
01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:11,280
story now but in in o4 i was on board

2142
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:12,880
the uss princeton i was the chief master

2143
01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:13,840
at arms

2144
01:16:17,350 --> 01:16:15,840
um when i first got the call that

2145
01:16:18,630 --> 01:16:17,360
anything was going on i was standing

2146
01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:18,640
watch on the bridge as the conning

2147
01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:20,000
officer and the junior officer of the

2148
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:21,840
deck when when senior chief kevin day

2149
01:16:25,430 --> 01:16:23,760
called me on the telephone on the bridge

2150
01:16:28,149 --> 01:16:25,440
and asked me to start moving the ship on

2151
01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:28,159
certain vectors and certain courses to

2152
01:16:31,590 --> 01:16:29,360
to try to

2153
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:31,600
help him calibrate some stuff

2154
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:33,600
and figure out this anomaly they had in

2155
01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:34,880
the system and i wasn't paying too much

2156
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:36,239
attention to it we just i just did what

2157
01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:38,640
he asked um after a while he asked my

2158
01:16:42,790 --> 01:16:40,640
lookouts or called me and said hey have

2159
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:42,800
your lookouts keep an eye out on these

2160
01:16:46,149 --> 01:16:44,880
vectors for for any lights in the sky or

2161
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:46,159
anything anomalous and i was like oh

2162
01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:49,120
that's cool okay sure and um as time

2163
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:51,520
went by as the days progressed over this

2164
01:16:54,790 --> 01:16:52,480
week

2165
01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:54,800
um he kept calling me more then we

2166
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:56,159
started talking about it in the chief's

2167
01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:58,159
mess and talking about it on the bridge

2168
01:17:01,430 --> 01:16:59,760
and we found out that you know gary

2169
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:01,440
voorhees was running around rebooting

2170
01:17:05,189 --> 01:17:03,120
radars and

2171
01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:05,199
pulling tapes and and doing all this

2172
01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:06,880
stuff that i don't understand with his

2173
01:17:11,189 --> 01:17:08,560
equipment

2174
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:11,199
and as the course of days went by this

2175
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:13,040
got more and more interesting and kevin

2176
01:17:17,189 --> 01:17:15,040
got more and more serious about how he

2177
01:17:18,149 --> 01:17:17,199
was guiding these efforts

2178
01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:18,159
and

2179
01:17:21,110 --> 01:17:19,679
finally the night before we saw the

2180
01:17:23,189 --> 01:17:21,120
video i'm not sure

2181
01:17:24,550 --> 01:17:23,199
where in this uh commander favor was

2182
01:17:26,070 --> 01:17:24,560
sorted and commander

2183
01:17:27,110 --> 01:17:26,080
dietrich were sorted

2184
01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:27,120
um

2185
01:17:30,149 --> 01:17:28,400
because i might have been in my rack at

2186
01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:30,159
that time i was i was working the night

2187
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:31,199
shift

2188
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:32,960
but kevin called me up on the bridge and

2189
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:35,280
asked me vehemently to take seriously

2190
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:37,600
that my lookouts keep their eyes out so

2191
01:17:41,430 --> 01:17:39,360
i i really hadn't been i've been really

2192
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:41,440
involved in the exercise more

2193
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:43,440
so i went out and told all the all my

2194
01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:45,600
lookouts on the sound powered phones and

2195
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:47,360
those that i could reach in person that

2196
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:48,800
this was serious and then i started

2197
01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:49,920
looking too because i wasn't going to

2198
01:17:52,790 --> 01:17:51,120
tell them to do it and go in and drink

2199
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:52,800
cup of coffee

2200
01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:54,239
so i grabbed some binos and started

2201
01:17:58,790 --> 01:17:56,560
looking too

2202
01:17:59,830 --> 01:17:58,800
and i was on the the port bridge wing

2203
01:18:02,229 --> 01:17:59,840
um

2204
01:18:05,030 --> 01:18:02,239
and when i started to scan from the beam

2205
01:18:07,110 --> 01:18:05,040
up towards the uh up towards the foxel

2206
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:07,120
and up at about 45 degrees at around

2207
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:08,640
2000 feet

2208
01:18:11,510 --> 01:18:10,239
at least that's what that's the vector

2209
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:11,520
that it seemed to be there were about

2210
01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:13,199
five to seven

2211
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:15,360
um lights in the sky excuse me i'm

2212
01:18:18,550 --> 01:18:17,440
reaching off camera five to seven lights

2213
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:18,560
in the sky

2214
01:18:22,149 --> 01:18:20,640
and they were all moving

2215
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:22,159
clockwise towards the center of this

2216
01:18:24,550 --> 01:18:23,520
formation

2217
01:18:26,229 --> 01:18:24,560
and

2218
01:18:28,790 --> 01:18:26,239
one would start moving towards it was

2219
01:18:31,270 --> 01:18:28,800
almost like it was going down

2220
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:31,280
a funnel okay it would it would move

2221
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:32,400
towards the center and it would

2222
01:18:35,590 --> 01:18:33,920
disappear and then the next one would

2223
01:18:37,669 --> 01:18:35,600
follow in and they all started moving

2224
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:37,679
and they were all gone

2225
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:40,080
and i turned to the lookout next to me

2226
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:41,760
and using saltier language i said you

2227
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:43,360
know did you see that and he said yes

2228
01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:45,520
chief i did we kind of both just

2229
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:47,120
stood there looking back and forth for a

2230
01:18:50,550 --> 01:18:48,560
minute

2231
01:18:51,910 --> 01:18:50,560
and then interestingly enough i just

2232
01:18:53,910 --> 01:18:51,920
went into the bridge and kind of looked

2233
01:18:56,229 --> 01:18:53,920
around and it was late kevin wasn't on

2234
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:56,239
watch anymore we had an exercise to do

2235
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:58,480
so i just got back to work

2236
01:19:02,070 --> 01:18:59,840
um

2237
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:02,080
i know people might say even even other

2238
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:03,360
sailors might say why didn't you make a

2239
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:05,199
log entry

2240
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:06,880
it

2241
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:13,199
lights in the sky in a circle pattern

2242
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:15,360
and i know a lot of people are gonna

2243
01:19:17,990 --> 01:19:16,719
gonna say but that's your job and

2244
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:18,000
everything else but we were very

2245
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:19,920
stigmatized those weren't whatever those

2246
01:19:24,790 --> 01:19:22,400
were i wasn't worried about them

2247
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:24,800
if they were either our aircraft or they

2248
01:19:27,910 --> 01:19:26,400
were supposed to be there or they were

2249
01:19:33,110 --> 01:19:27,920
something explainable i really wasn't

2250
01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:33,120
taking this idea of ufos very seriously

2251
01:19:37,030 --> 01:19:35,520
that all changed the next morning we i

2252
01:19:38,229 --> 01:19:37,040
got up in the morning and went out for

2253
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:38,239
breakfast and

2254
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:40,080
kevin was sitting there smiling this

2255
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:42,400
huge huge infectious smile that he had

2256
01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:44,719
because he smiles with his whole face

2257
01:19:50,950 --> 01:19:45,520
and

2258
01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:50,960
that he worked with sitting next to him

2259
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:53,199
was a very gruff rough sob

2260
01:19:57,270 --> 01:19:55,679
and uh he was not smiling and i i said

2261
01:19:58,709 --> 01:19:57,280
to kevin you know what are you what do

2262
01:19:59,830 --> 01:19:58,719
you got me chasing around up there on

2263
01:20:02,470 --> 01:19:59,840
the bridge i was just giving him hell it

2264
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:02,480
was breakfast i hadn't had my coffee yet

2265
01:20:06,629 --> 01:20:04,560
and he's just smiling just

2266
01:20:08,470 --> 01:20:06,639
just sitting there like this and his the

2267
01:20:10,149 --> 01:20:08,480
other senior chief said go go check your

2268
01:20:12,149 --> 01:20:10,159
effing email

2269
01:20:14,390 --> 01:20:12,159
in the back go check the supernet and i

2270
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:14,400
said all right so then i have a crowd of

2271
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:16,480
about four guys around me following me

2272
01:20:20,229 --> 01:20:18,239
into the chief's lounge where i logged

2273
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:20,239
onto the computer and just everybody

2274
01:20:25,030 --> 01:20:22,320
coffee cup in hand smiling wait can't

2275
01:20:26,470 --> 01:20:25,040
wait to see my face when i see this

2276
01:20:29,189 --> 01:20:26,480
and it was a whole it was a huge holy

2277
01:20:30,390 --> 01:20:29,199
crap moment um i immediately knew i was

2278
01:20:33,030 --> 01:20:30,400
looking at gun cam you know i was like

2279
01:20:34,390 --> 01:20:33,040
this is a flear module this is okay i'm

2280
01:20:36,310 --> 01:20:34,400
checking all the data in the corners i'm

2281
01:20:37,510 --> 01:20:36,320
like what the hell is this did we sort

2282
01:20:39,189 --> 01:20:37,520
the aircraft

2283
01:20:40,629 --> 01:20:39,199
what is it

2284
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:40,639
what is that

2285
01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:41,920
what am i look you know i knew

2286
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:43,600
immediately just as everybody else and

2287
01:20:49,030 --> 01:20:45,679
everybody's nodding like this

2288
01:20:50,950 --> 01:20:49,040
this wasn't an aircraft this was a tube

2289
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:50,960
this was this was as we now call it a

2290
01:20:53,110 --> 01:20:52,239
tic tac

2291
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:53,120
um

2292
01:20:59,590 --> 01:20:57,120
no wings no rotors no jets no retro

2293
01:21:01,110 --> 01:20:59,600
rockets no no nothing

2294
01:21:01,990 --> 01:21:01,120
and

2295
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:02,000
you know

2296
01:21:05,430 --> 01:21:03,600
we're taking it all in at once but we're

2297
01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:05,440
watching altitude and vectoring and

2298
01:21:08,709 --> 01:21:06,880
targeting and all of this stuff and the

2299
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:08,719
thing goes

2300
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:10,400
and i immediately turn around i go that

2301
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:12,000
was that the camera

2302
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:13,360
or did that thing zorch out of there

2303
01:21:16,229 --> 01:21:14,560
like crazy

2304
01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:16,239
and kevin's just smiling he's like it

2305
01:21:20,790 --> 01:21:18,800
took off bro it took off

2306
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:20,800
and you know we're having that kind of

2307
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:23,120
conversation in the back

2308
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:24,719
um

2309
01:21:28,229 --> 01:21:26,480
the the day progressed we had another

2310
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:28,239
exercise to do but that evening we had

2311
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:30,080
an operations and intelligence briefing

2312
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:33,199
um scheduled not interesting

2313
01:21:36,870 --> 01:21:35,360
when doing exercises on the ship nothing

2314
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:36,880
cool in there for the people that get

2315
01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:38,560
triggered by the word intelligence or

2316
01:21:42,149 --> 01:21:40,800
secret or stuff like that

2317
01:21:43,830 --> 01:21:42,159
really the most secret thing we were

2318
01:21:45,189 --> 01:21:43,840
going to talk about was the weather and

2319
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:45,199
that always makes people laugh because

2320
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:46,480
you don't want the enemy to have a

2321
01:21:50,550 --> 01:21:48,400
better look at the weather than you do

2322
01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:50,560
so that that's often classified at a low

2323
01:21:54,229 --> 01:21:51,360
level

2324
01:21:56,229 --> 01:21:54,239
um but we had our briefing that evening

2325
01:21:57,590 --> 01:21:56,239
and it was it was pretty much status quo

2326
01:22:00,229 --> 01:21:57,600
except for the fact that i had been

2327
01:22:01,990 --> 01:22:00,239
asked to post up at the front door and

2328
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:02,000
or keep an eye at the

2329
01:22:04,709 --> 01:22:03,360
the uh

2330
01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:04,719
the petty officer that was at the front

2331
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:07,040
door because they had a list of people's

2332
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:08,719
current clearances

2333
01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:10,320
and whether somebody had elapsed

2334
01:22:14,709 --> 01:22:13,520
clearance or or or had the the wrong

2335
01:22:15,669 --> 01:22:14,719
clearance

2336
01:22:16,790 --> 01:22:15,679
and

2337
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:16,800
they just wanted to make sure that if

2338
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:18,320
anybody had beef with them or gave them

2339
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:19,920
a hard time and you know said let me in

2340
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:21,600
any way that the sheriff would just go

2341
01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:22,800
take care of it

2342
01:22:26,790 --> 01:22:25,040
uh we didn't have any issues but that

2343
01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:26,800
never became

2344
01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:30,320
a valid point throughout the evening

2345
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:33,120
because we didn't address it um when the

2346
01:22:36,709 --> 01:22:35,280
the briefing started

2347
01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:36,719
the captain

2348
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:38,080
basically the the lieutenant that

2349
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:39,840
started hit the space bar on the old

2350
01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:42,320
2004 power points again these weren't

2351
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:44,400
holograms and spaceships in 2004. we

2352
01:22:47,910 --> 01:22:45,920
didn't even have iphones but we i think

2353
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:47,920
we just got your ipod

2354
01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:48,800
but

2355
01:22:53,910 --> 01:22:51,520
um very primitive

2356
01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:53,920
mars attacks type

2357
01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:55,760
saucer flies across the screen with a

2358
01:22:59,669 --> 01:22:57,920
little spooky music

2359
01:23:01,430 --> 01:22:59,679
and half the room erupts in laughter and

2360
01:23:03,110 --> 01:23:01,440
the other half turns and says what are

2361
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:03,120
we laughing at and

2362
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:04,560
[Music]

2363
01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:06,000
you know the chatter settles for about

2364
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:08,560
30 seconds and the captain says well

2365
01:23:11,270 --> 01:23:10,080
we had an interesting week that was a

2366
01:23:13,669 --> 01:23:11,280
lot of fun

2367
01:23:16,629 --> 01:23:13,679
let's move on and that was it

2368
01:23:18,310 --> 01:23:16,639
wow and there was never any discussion

2369
01:23:20,310 --> 01:23:18,320
about it afterward we all still had the

2370
01:23:22,149 --> 01:23:20,320
chain of emails in our in our inbox we

2371
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:22,159
all still had the video no one ever said

2372
01:23:25,750 --> 01:23:23,840
you can't show it you can't send it you

2373
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:25,760
can't share it i mean it was on the

2374
01:23:28,310 --> 01:23:27,360
sipper net so you couldn't take it with

2375
01:23:30,790 --> 01:23:28,320
you

2376
01:23:33,510 --> 01:23:30,800
but we were never cautioned it just

2377
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:33,520
never came up again now could you send a

2378
01:23:38,709 --> 01:23:37,120
an email out of that supernet to uh

2379
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:38,719
to another email i mean to a private

2380
01:23:44,470 --> 01:23:39,600
email

2381
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:44,480
can't it doesn't exist the lines don't

2382
01:23:50,149 --> 01:23:48,000
cross like that i got it yeah yeah wow

2383
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:50,159
um so just a couple of things

2384
01:23:53,189 --> 01:23:51,920
about this whole situation first of all

2385
01:23:54,470 --> 01:23:53,199
when you say you went to breakfast does

2386
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:54,480
that mean you joined him over at the

2387
01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:55,920
nimitz

2388
01:23:59,189 --> 01:23:57,760
no none of us were on the none of us

2389
01:24:00,870 --> 01:23:59,199
were on the nimitz oh i thought i

2390
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:00,880
thought kevin

2391
01:24:04,629 --> 01:24:02,560
no we were all on the us that's right

2392
01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:04,639
yeah you're right you're right i got it

2393
01:24:10,149 --> 01:24:07,280
so the pilots and pj hughes were on the

2394
01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:10,159
minutes i got it right i i just i just

2395
01:24:14,229 --> 01:24:11,040
uh

2396
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:14,239
misremembered that um and the video that

2397
01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:16,960
you looked at did you see video that we

2398
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:18,639
have not seen

2399
01:24:23,430 --> 01:24:20,880
i saw exactly what we have today um

2400
01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:23,440
people may get confused because

2401
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:24,960
i describe it a little bit differently

2402
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:27,440
what they what they sent over to the uss

2403
01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:28,800
princeton

2404
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:29,679
was

2405
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:33,520
got on the princeton

2406
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:35,280
but essentially this was what we got was

2407
01:24:40,629 --> 01:24:38,159
the greatest hits spliced together every

2408
01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:40,639
change in modality or anything that it

2409
01:24:43,590 --> 01:24:42,400
so here's three seconds of it doing this

2410
01:24:45,669 --> 01:24:43,600
three seconds of it doing that three

2411
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:45,679
seconds anything any change

2412
01:24:48,310 --> 01:24:47,199
they clipped it down to something that

2413
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:48,320
we could see

2414
01:24:52,149 --> 01:24:49,920
and they could squirt over on via the

2415
01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:52,159
old technology because again we i mean

2416
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:55,120
kilobytes would take an hour to download

2417
01:24:59,590 --> 01:24:57,600
um really wow yeah it was really bad

2418
01:25:01,910 --> 01:24:59,600
back then it's nothing we're so spoiled

2419
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:01,920
now um i i can't even explain was like

2420
01:25:05,189 --> 01:25:03,840
to leave for six months and honestly not

2421
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:05,199
communicate with your wife and kids at

2422
01:25:08,950 --> 01:25:07,920
all um nowadays you call them every

2423
01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:08,960
night from the ship and you're on

2424
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:11,120
facebook with them so

2425
01:25:15,590 --> 01:25:13,679
um one of the things i've heard was and

2426
01:25:17,830 --> 01:25:15,600
i had someone on this

2427
01:25:21,030 --> 01:25:17,840
show in particular that told me that he

2428
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:21,040
actually saw a clear video not not the

2429
01:25:25,510 --> 01:25:22,880
floor foot footage

2430
01:25:26,709 --> 01:25:25,520
um so did you ever were you aware of

2431
01:25:29,669 --> 01:25:26,719
that

2432
01:25:32,149 --> 01:25:29,679
so i never heard anything about any on

2433
01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:32,159
any other vid excuse me any other video

2434
01:25:36,149 --> 01:25:33,760
the whole time i was on the ship i

2435
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:36,159
didn't hear anything about that

2436
01:25:39,510 --> 01:25:37,199
until

2437
01:25:40,790 --> 01:25:39,520
after lou came out and after we saw the

2438
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:40,800
other video and people have still

2439
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:43,040
claimed that now i will say this

2440
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:44,719
the people who have claimed to have seen

2441
01:25:49,030 --> 01:25:46,480
it claimed to have seen it in what's

2442
01:25:51,430 --> 01:25:49,040
called the cess the shipboard secure

2443
01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:51,440
shipboard signals exploitation space and

2444
01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:53,120
that was a space that was directly above

2445
01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:54,639
my office

2446
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:55,760
it was

2447
01:25:59,430 --> 01:25:57,600
a space that i had never been all the

2448
01:26:00,950 --> 01:25:59,440
way into even as the sheriff since no

2449
01:26:02,550 --> 01:26:00,960
crime had been committed beyond the

2450
01:26:04,950 --> 01:26:02,560
black curtain in there i'd never been

2451
01:26:07,270 --> 01:26:04,960
past it and didn't need to be

2452
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:07,280
um some folks allege they were hanging

2453
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:08,400
out back there

2454
01:26:11,669 --> 01:26:09,840
i won't get into the fact that they

2455
01:26:13,910 --> 01:26:11,679
didn't belong in that space

2456
01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:13,920
but they claim that they saw longer

2457
01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:15,280
videos and i'm only talking about some

2458
01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:17,120
specific folks but they claim that they

2459
01:26:23,910 --> 01:26:20,560
saw longer clearer 4k videos

2460
01:26:25,669 --> 01:26:23,920
i i have not i've not been when i have

2461
01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:25,679
asked folks who

2462
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:27,360
are in the know

2463
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:29,520
no just the gun camera footage um i

2464
01:26:32,790 --> 01:26:31,199
think people are

2465
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:32,800
people may be misinterpreting the

2466
01:26:36,629 --> 01:26:35,040
difference between and i know people are

2467
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:36,639
going to think i'm really trying to make

2468
01:26:40,669 --> 01:26:38,480
an excuse here but i'm not

2469
01:26:43,189 --> 01:26:40,679
there's a big difference between a

2470
01:26:46,629 --> 01:26:43,199
450 kilobyte

2471
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:46,639
high def for 2004 video shown on a

2472
01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:49,280
computer from 2004

2473
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:52,000
then there is to a very low def video

2474
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:54,719
now in 2022 being shown on a retina

2475
01:26:58,950 --> 01:26:56,560
display macintosh

2476
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:58,960
um and your perception of what you're

2477
01:27:01,990 --> 01:27:00,480
seeing

2478
01:27:03,510 --> 01:27:02,000
is going to be very different the

2479
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:03,520
television that i watched on black and

2480
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:05,440
white televisions and later on tiny

2481
01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:07,760
color televisions seemed just as vibrant

2482
01:27:11,350 --> 01:27:10,000
and amazing to me as my 60-inch plasma

2483
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:11,360
at the time

2484
01:27:17,350 --> 01:27:14,800
so i i i'm i haven't seen any evidence

2485
01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:17,360
of a of a more interesting video from o4

2486
01:27:21,189 --> 01:27:19,600
i'd love to see it if it exists i'm not

2487
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:21,199
not trying to make that go away or make

2488
01:27:25,189 --> 01:27:23,520
excuses but i've never seen

2489
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:25,199
or heard anything official that says

2490
01:27:30,470 --> 01:27:26,560
that there was one

2491
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:30,480
yeah yeah well it's still with all the

2492
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:32,560
you know like you mentioned earlier

2493
01:27:38,790 --> 01:27:35,840
david fravor and alex um

2494
01:27:40,790 --> 01:27:38,800
alex um what's her last name

2495
01:27:44,070 --> 01:27:40,800
uh

2496
01:27:45,189 --> 01:27:44,080
with her testimony of what they saw

2497
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:45,199
it's

2498
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:48,000
just amazing and i gotta say you know

2499
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:50,400
commander fravor was extremely

2500
01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:51,840
convincing

2501
01:27:55,510 --> 01:27:54,400
and every time i've heard him talk about

2502
01:27:58,390 --> 01:27:55,520
it

2503
01:27:59,350 --> 01:27:58,400
because he seems like a no-nonsense type

2504
01:28:02,709 --> 01:27:59,360
of guy

2505
01:28:05,189 --> 01:28:02,719
and why you know i mean

2506
01:28:08,070 --> 01:28:05,199
it seems like for instance

2507
01:28:10,149 --> 01:28:08,080
why wouldn't the task force want to talk

2508
01:28:13,350 --> 01:28:10,159
to him directly

2509
01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:13,360
you know and ask him lots of questions

2510
01:28:18,149 --> 01:28:16,000
and along with uh dietrich

2511
01:28:20,709 --> 01:28:18,159
you know it seems like that would that's

2512
01:28:22,709 --> 01:28:20,719
a firsthand witness right there

2513
01:28:24,070 --> 01:28:22,719
i i agree with you and i i think that

2514
01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:24,080
what we have to look at there if i'm

2515
01:28:27,430 --> 01:28:25,920
being kind to the task force the task

2516
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:27,440
force is two guys

2517
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:29,360
um and then a you know and a

2518
01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:31,760
responsibility and a network um that

2519
01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:34,320
they're a lot that they can access

2520
01:28:37,669 --> 01:28:35,920
but

2521
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:37,679
sorry i just had a really loud car start

2522
01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:40,000
outside um

2523
01:28:44,070 --> 01:28:41,600
what we're what we're also looking at

2524
01:28:45,910 --> 01:28:44,080
here is

2525
01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:45,920
man i'm sorry that the noise don't even

2526
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:47,520
hear the houses don't really distract me

2527
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:53,830
i'm sorry i think i that that kind of

2528
01:28:59,270 --> 01:28:57,120
canned my train of thought

2529
01:29:01,110 --> 01:28:59,280
as happens all right i was talking about

2530
01:29:02,070 --> 01:29:01,120
dietrich and

2531
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:02,080
yeah

2532
01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:06,560
what i see is is i saw i saw two people

2533
01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:09,280
get an insane mission get a limited time

2534
01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:10,560
to do it

2535
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:12,719
they weren't completely educated up to

2536
01:29:16,229 --> 01:29:14,880
the point where they they needed to be

2537
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:16,239
they did the best they could in a short

2538
01:29:20,950 --> 01:29:18,719
amount of time i think that this these

2539
01:29:23,350 --> 01:29:20,960
this first hearing and what we've seen i

2540
01:29:24,870 --> 01:29:23,360
i think they'll get the feedback i mean

2541
01:29:26,390 --> 01:29:24,880
yeah the fact that representative

2542
01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:26,400
brichette immediately turned around and

2543
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:28,000
kind of called you know raise the bs

2544
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:29,760
flag was like where's where are the

2545
01:29:34,950 --> 01:29:33,440
pilots where are the better you know etc

2546
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:34,960
now it's up to them it's up to them to

2547
01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:37,600
follow on and fix those mistakes the the

2548
01:29:41,430 --> 01:29:40,000
the task force and and the

2549
01:29:44,629 --> 01:29:41,440
the

2550
01:29:46,229 --> 01:29:44,639
hearings

2551
01:29:47,669 --> 01:29:46,239
have an ability to make this right and

2552
01:29:49,030 --> 01:29:47,679
make it right quickly in a way that's

2553
01:29:50,310 --> 01:29:49,040
going to gain them a great deal of

2554
01:29:52,149 --> 01:29:50,320
support

2555
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:52,159
um i i think they would get a

2556
01:29:55,990 --> 01:29:54,480
groundswell of support from from perhaps

2557
01:29:57,270 --> 01:29:56,000
millions of people if they if they

2558
01:29:59,270 --> 01:29:57,280
actually produced something we could

2559
01:30:01,830 --> 01:29:59,280
work on and gave us a viable timeline

2560
01:30:03,510 --> 01:30:01,840
for for what we can expect

2561
01:30:06,310 --> 01:30:03,520
but if they leave us in the dark

2562
01:30:09,430 --> 01:30:06,320
piecemeal with these ad hoc hearings

2563
01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:09,440
that they sprinkle throughout the future

2564
01:30:14,550 --> 01:30:11,840
i don't see folks just saying okay and

2565
01:30:16,629 --> 01:30:14,560
going back to work um there's a lot

2566
01:30:17,590 --> 01:30:16,639
there's a lot of money tied up in uap

2567
01:30:19,830 --> 01:30:17,600
right now

2568
01:30:23,189 --> 01:30:19,840
um there's a lot of people that have

2569
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:23,199
started companies and foundations and

2570
01:30:27,910 --> 01:30:25,440
and think tanks and

2571
01:30:30,709 --> 01:30:27,920
and all of this stuff it's all exciting

2572
01:30:32,830 --> 01:30:30,719
yeah it's very exciting but the question

2573
01:30:34,709 --> 01:30:32,840
is is who's gonna who's gonna get the

2574
01:30:36,709 --> 01:30:34,719
mic um

2575
01:30:39,030 --> 01:30:36,719
is a really good question and are we

2576
01:30:40,070 --> 01:30:39,040
going to see narratives put forth and

2577
01:30:41,510 --> 01:30:40,080
are those narratives going to be

2578
01:30:42,870 --> 01:30:41,520
narratives we all share and can

2579
01:30:44,790 --> 01:30:42,880
understand together or are they just

2580
01:30:46,950 --> 01:30:44,800
going to be aimed at markets that are

2581
01:30:48,470 --> 01:30:46,960
going to fill coffers because we've seen

2582
01:30:49,830 --> 01:30:48,480
that already

2583
01:30:51,990 --> 01:30:49,840
well i think you're making a very good

2584
01:30:53,990 --> 01:30:52,000
point here and why should anyone have a

2585
01:30:55,110 --> 01:30:54,000
mic in particular

2586
01:30:59,270 --> 01:30:55,120
exactly

2587
01:31:01,189 --> 01:30:59,280
if this isn't for all of us it's not

2588
01:31:04,790 --> 01:31:01,199
going to be worth it yeah i mean we

2589
01:31:06,310 --> 01:31:04,800
don't want and and uh unfortunately a

2590
01:31:08,310 --> 01:31:06,320
lot of things have to do with money and

2591
01:31:09,750 --> 01:31:08,320
if someone could cash in uh that would

2592
01:31:11,350 --> 01:31:09,760
be another thing that would happen you

2593
01:31:13,510 --> 01:31:11,360
could i could see that

2594
01:31:15,030 --> 01:31:13,520
i want to go back to your briefing so we

2595
01:31:17,270 --> 01:31:15,040
had this briefing

2596
01:31:19,669 --> 01:31:17,280
and it was basically

2597
01:31:20,709 --> 01:31:19,679
made fun of or something it was

2598
01:31:23,910 --> 01:31:20,719
how did that

2599
01:31:25,590 --> 01:31:23,920
and kevin day that actually knew

2600
01:31:28,709 --> 01:31:25,600
something was going on it was really

2601
01:31:30,790 --> 01:31:28,719
disappointing um kevin and i disagreed i

2602
01:31:33,030 --> 01:31:30,800
mean i i'm i'm saying this not as a

2603
01:31:34,550 --> 01:31:33,040
memory of of a strong memory of us

2604
01:31:36,390 --> 01:31:34,560
disagreeing but just saying that in

2605
01:31:39,030 --> 01:31:36,400
general at the time we disagreed because

2606
01:31:40,629 --> 01:31:39,040
i just went up well that's that's darpa

2607
01:31:43,350 --> 01:31:40,639
or something then

2608
01:31:45,430 --> 01:31:43,360
if we didn't care it must be ours and

2609
01:31:46,390 --> 01:31:45,440
kevin was like no way man i don't think

2610
01:31:49,270 --> 01:31:46,400
it was

2611
01:31:52,390 --> 01:31:49,280
different and i was

2612
01:31:55,110 --> 01:31:52,400
i was just as much into it as kevin was

2613
01:31:56,950 --> 01:31:55,120
but i was mad i just i was i was like we

2614
01:31:58,550 --> 01:31:56,960
really didn't care i was like what i

2615
01:32:00,629 --> 01:31:58,560
just saw on that gun camera footage

2616
01:32:02,229 --> 01:32:00,639
looks like it rivals all the stories we

2617
01:32:03,830 --> 01:32:02,239
heard about roswell this should change

2618
01:32:04,870 --> 01:32:03,840
the world

2619
01:32:08,790 --> 01:32:04,880
and

2620
01:32:10,870 --> 01:32:08,800
yeah probably not

2621
01:32:12,229 --> 01:32:10,880
and and that was it i mean i spent

2622
01:32:13,669 --> 01:32:12,239
another year and a half on that ship

2623
01:32:15,990 --> 01:32:13,679
after that

2624
01:32:17,590 --> 01:32:16,000
here really so here's another question

2625
01:32:19,990 --> 01:32:17,600
that i've asked people like kevin day

2626
01:32:21,990 --> 01:32:20,000
and all a lot of people i've had that

2627
01:32:23,110 --> 01:32:22,000
were on the nimitz have been on the show

2628
01:32:23,910 --> 01:32:23,120
and that is

2629
01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:23,920
uh

2630
01:32:27,270 --> 01:32:26,080
if they were seeing these things

2631
01:32:28,870 --> 01:32:27,280
happening

2632
01:32:30,390 --> 01:32:28,880
they and and

2633
01:32:32,790 --> 01:32:30,400
that it went to

2634
01:32:34,550 --> 01:32:32,800
and oh god i can't remember what it's

2635
01:32:36,629 --> 01:32:34,560
called

2636
01:32:38,790 --> 01:32:36,639
yes it went there which is

2637
01:32:41,350 --> 01:32:38,800
a huge mystery how it knew exactly where

2638
01:32:43,590 --> 01:32:41,360
that was

2639
01:32:46,629 --> 01:32:43,600
all this is happening why wasn't there

2640
01:32:48,790 --> 01:32:46,639
more investigation going on to what

2641
01:32:50,470 --> 01:32:48,800
these things were it seems to me wow

2642
01:32:52,149 --> 01:32:50,480
this is such a strange

2643
01:32:55,030 --> 01:32:52,159
technology

2644
01:32:56,550 --> 01:32:55,040
i don't under i've never understood

2645
01:32:58,950 --> 01:32:56,560
why

2646
01:33:01,030 --> 01:32:58,960
the jets weren't constantly sent out to

2647
01:33:03,910 --> 01:33:01,040
see what the heck is going on

2648
01:33:05,830 --> 01:33:03,920
i mean is it because the training

2649
01:33:09,189 --> 01:33:05,840
session has to be done just a certain

2650
01:33:13,030 --> 01:33:09,199
way and no matter what happens

2651
01:33:15,590 --> 01:33:13,040
or no because we did we did sortie jets

2652
01:33:17,270 --> 01:33:15,600
out to it so so the the fact that we had

2653
01:33:18,550 --> 01:33:17,280
a training exercise going on would

2654
01:33:19,990 --> 01:33:18,560
should not have let me put it this way

2655
01:33:21,910 --> 01:33:20,000
if there were a thousand of them go

2656
01:33:26,149 --> 01:33:21,920
headed towards san diego i sure as heck

2657
01:33:30,629 --> 01:33:27,990
but

2658
01:33:33,030 --> 01:33:30,639
this is where we get back to the stigma

2659
01:33:35,350 --> 01:33:33,040
and i want to say this because there's

2660
01:33:37,990 --> 01:33:35,360
there's an aspect of gaslighting

2661
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:38,000
that that goes around the stigma

2662
01:33:42,629 --> 01:33:39,600
but i think in a lot of in a lot of

2663
01:33:45,350 --> 01:33:42,639
cases here what people see as as

2664
01:33:47,430 --> 01:33:45,360
purposeful and willful obfuscation by by

2665
01:33:49,110 --> 01:33:47,440
authority

2666
01:33:50,390 --> 01:33:49,120
you're dealing in a lot of cases with

2667
01:33:53,830 --> 01:33:50,400
people's own

2668
01:33:55,910 --> 01:33:53,840
ability to accept larger ideas

2669
01:33:58,070 --> 01:33:55,920
um people in leadership and we see it

2670
01:34:01,590 --> 01:33:58,080
going back to the 50s and 60s with the

2671
01:34:06,870 --> 01:34:04,229
their own cultural overlay their own

2672
01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:06,880
beliefs define as far as they can take

2673
01:34:11,750 --> 01:34:09,760
this subject i always call it um

2674
01:34:13,270 --> 01:34:11,760
taking an easy exit off the freeway to

2675
01:34:14,870 --> 01:34:13,280
me the freeway goes all the way to the

2676
01:34:16,390 --> 01:34:14,880
point where we can verify one of us

2677
01:34:18,550 --> 01:34:16,400
shook hands and we can tell where these

2678
01:34:19,510 --> 01:34:18,560
folks are from now and what they want

2679
01:34:21,270 --> 01:34:19,520
um

2680
01:34:23,750 --> 01:34:21,280
some people get off that freeway early

2681
01:34:25,270 --> 01:34:23,760
they say well to me this looks like ai

2682
01:34:26,470 --> 01:34:25,280
and i think i live in the matrix so i'm

2683
01:34:27,990 --> 01:34:26,480
going to get off the freeway here and

2684
01:34:30,070 --> 01:34:28,000
i'm going to camp over here and that's

2685
01:34:31,350 --> 01:34:30,080
what i'm going to talk about and work on

2686
01:34:32,709 --> 01:34:31,360
and other people are really interested

2687
01:34:34,510 --> 01:34:32,719
in consciousness and other people are

2688
01:34:36,390 --> 01:34:34,520
interested in in purely and

2689
01:34:37,669 --> 01:34:36,400
extraterrestrials from other physical

2690
01:34:39,750 --> 01:34:37,679
planets and other people that are

2691
01:34:41,590 --> 01:34:39,760
interested in multi-dimensional ideas in

2692
01:34:43,590 --> 01:34:41,600
the future and eschatology and all of

2693
01:34:48,229 --> 01:34:43,600
these things

2694
01:34:53,189 --> 01:34:50,629
and that's the most likely truth to it

2695
01:34:55,510 --> 01:34:53,199
there's probably some veneer of truth

2696
01:34:58,550 --> 01:34:55,520
underneath all of the nonsense

2697
01:35:03,189 --> 01:35:00,870
how do we own this together

2698
01:35:04,790 --> 01:35:03,199
there's so few we're not in a place yet

2699
01:35:06,790 --> 01:35:04,800
and i don't mean to sound negative but

2700
01:35:09,030 --> 01:35:06,800
we're not in a place yet where we can

2701
01:35:11,350 --> 01:35:09,040
where we all agree

2702
01:35:13,510 --> 01:35:11,360
that we're all human

2703
01:35:17,030 --> 01:35:13,520
or that we're all equal or that we

2704
01:35:18,870 --> 01:35:17,040
deserve the same equity and and equality

2705
01:35:20,550 --> 01:35:18,880
and so we're looking to something that

2706
01:35:22,070 --> 01:35:20,560
we feel is larger to us and we're

2707
01:35:24,470 --> 01:35:22,080
looking to others to answer those

2708
01:35:26,830 --> 01:35:24,480
questions but we don't face the big

2709
01:35:29,910 --> 01:35:26,840
questions in our own lives

2710
01:35:31,510 --> 01:35:29,920
and in general i think that keeps people

2711
01:35:33,109 --> 01:35:31,520
from getting to the end of the rainbow

2712
01:35:35,350 --> 01:35:33,119
where they need to get with this where

2713
01:35:36,790 --> 01:35:35,360
we can make true and real progress

2714
01:35:39,270 --> 01:35:36,800
because people are waiting to hear what

2715
01:35:40,629 --> 01:35:39,280
they want to hear as opposed to what it

2716
01:35:43,669 --> 01:35:40,639
is

2717
01:35:44,950 --> 01:35:43,679
yes yeah i i agree and

2718
01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:44,960
you know it's

2719
01:35:48,950 --> 01:35:46,560
i i think

2720
01:35:50,470 --> 01:35:48,960
as you just mentioned i think that's why

2721
01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:50,480
a number of people were a little bit

2722
01:35:55,750 --> 01:35:53,520
disappointed i mean just from the amount

2723
01:35:58,709 --> 01:35:55,760
i i don't know how many email i got

2724
01:36:00,149 --> 01:35:58,719
today i i have to go through them but

2725
01:36:01,030 --> 01:36:00,159
it was a lot

2726
01:36:07,030 --> 01:36:01,040
and

2727
01:36:08,629 --> 01:36:07,040
had time to to read them all but i just

2728
01:36:09,910 --> 01:36:08,639
haven't yet but there was there's

2729
01:36:11,109 --> 01:36:09,920
probably some really good points in it

2730
01:36:12,550 --> 01:36:11,119
because

2731
01:36:14,070 --> 01:36:12,560
you know you have all these different

2732
01:36:15,830 --> 01:36:14,080
eyes looking at what's going on and

2733
01:36:17,350 --> 01:36:15,840
everyone has a different take or

2734
01:36:19,030 --> 01:36:17,360
everyone's you know may see something

2735
01:36:22,070 --> 01:36:19,040
that someone else didn't

2736
01:36:24,870 --> 01:36:22,080
and uh you know which i think is is is

2737
01:36:27,109 --> 01:36:24,880
fascinating and it's been uh really you

2738
01:36:29,990 --> 01:36:27,119
know very interesting talking to you

2739
01:36:32,229 --> 01:36:30,000
today and because of your

2740
01:36:34,149 --> 01:36:32,239
uh you know inside knowledge of not

2741
01:36:35,270 --> 01:36:34,159
inside knowledge but experience of what

2742
01:36:36,229 --> 01:36:35,280
happened to you

2743
01:36:38,149 --> 01:36:36,239
and

2744
01:36:41,030 --> 01:36:38,159
i heard you say on this other interview

2745
01:36:42,870 --> 01:36:41,040
that i listened to that and i i would

2746
01:36:44,709 --> 01:36:42,880
not be afraid to talk about this at all

2747
01:36:46,709 --> 01:36:44,719
that you think it may muddy the waters a

2748
01:36:49,109 --> 01:36:46,719
little bit to talk about you've had

2749
01:36:51,910 --> 01:36:49,119
other experiences in your life

2750
01:36:53,750 --> 01:36:51,920
and uh this is a show about ufos you're

2751
01:36:55,030 --> 01:36:53,760
you're safe here safe here to talk about

2752
01:36:56,390 --> 01:36:55,040
it

2753
01:36:57,750 --> 01:36:56,400
i was going to say i'm not going to let

2754
01:37:00,709 --> 01:36:57,760
you down on this one because your show

2755
01:37:05,350 --> 01:37:00,719
is called podcast ufo anyways come on

2756
01:37:10,709 --> 01:37:06,870
well the intro

2757
01:37:12,950 --> 01:37:10,719
and uh and by the way the intro is uh

2758
01:37:15,669 --> 01:37:12,960
um

2759
01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:15,679
it was made someone sent that to me and

2760
01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:18,400
i am i am looking for another intro if

2761
01:37:22,390 --> 01:37:20,800
anyone does that type of work so i mean

2762
01:37:23,910 --> 01:37:22,400
i like that one a little bit i've

2763
01:37:26,149 --> 01:37:23,920
changed my tune a little bit i used to

2764
01:37:29,350 --> 01:37:26,159
be really hard on what i called nonsense

2765
01:37:30,629 --> 01:37:29,360
iconography and things like that but as

2766
01:37:33,109 --> 01:37:30,639
as we get

2767
01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:33,119
farther along i think it's okay because

2768
01:37:35,590 --> 01:37:34,560
things like that are okay i had a friend

2769
01:37:36,950 --> 01:37:35,600
of mine that was putting together an

2770
01:37:38,629 --> 01:37:36,960
intro for a video he was doing he said

2771
01:37:40,629 --> 01:37:38,639
do you think this is too much

2772
01:37:42,709 --> 01:37:40,639
and i said as long as we all understand

2773
01:37:44,870 --> 01:37:42,719
you're not presenting that as fact

2774
01:37:47,350 --> 01:37:44,880
you know as if you're trying to show

2775
01:37:48,790 --> 01:37:47,360
people a you know a baseline hey here's

2776
01:37:50,310 --> 01:37:48,800
what folks say they look like this is

2777
01:37:52,470 --> 01:37:50,320
just the intro to the show you know what

2778
01:37:54,070 --> 01:37:52,480
i mean like like cut him some slack so

2779
01:37:55,270 --> 01:37:54,080
i've i've kind of eased off on that a

2780
01:37:57,510 --> 01:37:55,280
little bit

2781
01:38:03,830 --> 01:37:57,520
um

2782
01:38:09,430 --> 01:38:06,229
i see some i see

2783
01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:11,189
i see a change coming down the road for

2784
01:38:15,910 --> 01:38:13,600
the way that that experiencers

2785
01:38:18,229 --> 01:38:15,920
i'm not a giant fan of that word but the

2786
01:38:20,390 --> 01:38:18,239
way that experiencers and witnesses

2787
01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:20,400
can come forth and share their stories

2788
01:38:23,910 --> 01:38:22,800
and and be taken seriously and be

2789
01:38:27,350 --> 01:38:23,920
listened to

2790
01:38:29,590 --> 01:38:27,360
and add add more information to the

2791
01:38:31,270 --> 01:38:29,600
observational pool because

2792
01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:31,280
honestly the first line is well what

2793
01:38:34,149 --> 01:38:32,639
what's our take away from these

2794
01:38:36,229 --> 01:38:34,159
experiences there's a lot of people that

2795
01:38:37,590 --> 01:38:36,239
are having these experiences and then

2796
01:38:38,790 --> 01:38:37,600
and then taking things away so i want to

2797
01:38:41,109 --> 01:38:38,800
say first of all i think that we're

2798
01:38:44,629 --> 01:38:41,119
seeing a more a more mature

2799
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:44,639
ecosystem for all of us to come out but

2800
01:38:48,950 --> 01:38:46,800
let me get to it because this is a ufo

2801
01:38:50,709 --> 01:38:48,960
show and we should talk about ufos

2802
01:38:53,109 --> 01:38:50,719
um

2803
01:38:55,350 --> 01:38:53,119
with at the re at the risk of sounding

2804
01:38:57,669 --> 01:38:55,360
uh hyperbolic i've been i've been

2805
01:38:59,430 --> 01:38:57,679
experiencing what we call a phenomena in

2806
01:39:01,350 --> 01:38:59,440
one way shape or form for most of my

2807
01:39:04,870 --> 01:39:01,360
life

2808
01:39:09,109 --> 01:39:04,880
whether it was sightings in childhood

2809
01:39:12,149 --> 01:39:09,119
being at the 04 tic tac event

2810
01:39:14,149 --> 01:39:12,159
and things that have happened since then

2811
01:39:17,109 --> 01:39:14,159
uh it's been

2812
01:39:18,950 --> 01:39:17,119
a wide spectrum of things um i've

2813
01:39:21,189 --> 01:39:18,960
experienced the negative i've

2814
01:39:23,669 --> 01:39:21,199
experienced things that

2815
01:39:25,669 --> 01:39:23,679
seemed overwhelmingly positive

2816
01:39:27,510 --> 01:39:25,679
and things that seemed like it didn't

2817
01:39:27,950 --> 01:39:27,520
even know i existed

2818
01:39:29,590 --> 01:39:27,960
um

2819
01:39:32,629 --> 01:39:29,600
[Music]

2820
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:32,639
i had a black triangle incident

2821
01:39:39,510 --> 01:39:36,960
here in san diego at here at my home

2822
01:39:41,669 --> 01:39:39,520
it was at least two thousand feet across

2823
01:39:43,270 --> 01:39:41,679
was moving incredibly slow it had no

2824
01:39:44,709 --> 01:39:43,280
lights

2825
01:39:47,270 --> 01:39:44,719
and i could

2826
01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:47,280
hear the wind whistling over it and then

2827
01:39:52,149 --> 01:39:50,080
i watched it go overhead and tip on its

2828
01:39:53,030 --> 01:39:52,159
side and move away at a velocity that

2829
01:39:54,790 --> 01:39:53,040
was

2830
01:39:55,910 --> 01:39:54,800
absolutely ridiculous and i have to tell

2831
01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:55,920
you that i live

2832
01:40:01,189 --> 01:39:58,480
a mile north of a helicopter base three

2833
01:40:02,470 --> 01:40:01,199
miles south of of socom

2834
01:40:04,310 --> 01:40:02,480
six miles away from the fleet

2835
01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:04,320
concentration center and i'm surrounded

2836
01:40:07,510 --> 01:40:05,840
by five airports three of them

2837
01:40:08,709 --> 01:40:07,520
international

2838
01:40:10,550 --> 01:40:08,719
i'm in one of the biggest flight

2839
01:40:12,229 --> 01:40:10,560
corridors in the world and i've got

2840
01:40:13,990 --> 01:40:12,239
three of them that come over my house so

2841
01:40:15,189 --> 01:40:14,000
every type of aircraft you can think of

2842
01:40:17,270 --> 01:40:15,199
i've seen it

2843
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:17,280
i've guarded a b2

2844
01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:18,560
i've stood under them when they're

2845
01:40:21,590 --> 01:40:20,239
flying at low altitude and landing i

2846
01:40:22,790 --> 01:40:21,600
know exactly what they look like and

2847
01:40:24,310 --> 01:40:22,800
sound like

2848
01:40:27,590 --> 01:40:24,320
this was not a conventional aircraft

2849
01:40:29,109 --> 01:40:27,600
whatever it was it it didn't work normal

2850
01:40:30,870 --> 01:40:29,119
um

2851
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:30,880
as far as lights in the sky and

2852
01:40:35,189 --> 01:40:33,520
anomalous events even in and around the

2853
01:40:36,550 --> 01:40:35,199
house and the family we've experienced

2854
01:40:38,470 --> 01:40:36,560
those things too

2855
01:40:39,910 --> 01:40:38,480
now is this all in the san diego area

2856
01:40:43,510 --> 01:40:39,920
where you live

2857
01:40:44,470 --> 01:40:43,520
yeah i've been here since uh 1998.

2858
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:44,480
yeah

2859
01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:48,000
and so the majority of those things

2860
01:40:51,669 --> 01:40:49,440
well no i wouldn't say the majority of

2861
01:40:53,270 --> 01:40:51,679
them were the triangle the tic tac and

2862
01:40:56,229 --> 01:40:53,280
and most of the things i've seen in the

2863
01:40:57,990 --> 01:40:56,239
last 20 years or so were here um

2864
01:41:00,550 --> 01:40:58,000
others were in northern california

2865
01:41:02,550 --> 01:41:00,560
around san francisco and in florida

2866
01:41:04,070 --> 01:41:02,560
um

2867
01:41:09,030 --> 01:41:04,080
it's

2868
01:41:11,189 --> 01:41:09,040
and i know this surprises a lot of

2869
01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:11,199
people when they find out

2870
01:41:14,310 --> 01:41:13,040
but i don't i've been seeing this stuff

2871
01:41:15,109 --> 01:41:14,320
my whole life and i don't know what it

2872
01:41:16,950 --> 01:41:15,119
is

2873
01:41:18,709 --> 01:41:16,960
and that's why i don't

2874
01:41:20,310 --> 01:41:18,719
that's why i'm not so heavy on turn into

2875
01:41:22,149 --> 01:41:20,320
the government going tell us what this

2876
01:41:23,350 --> 01:41:22,159
is because i think you can keep seeing

2877
01:41:24,310 --> 01:41:23,360
it

2878
01:41:26,390 --> 01:41:24,320
and not

2879
01:41:27,669 --> 01:41:26,400
know what it is and so

2880
01:41:29,109 --> 01:41:27,679
when there's people in the community

2881
01:41:30,950 --> 01:41:29,119
that come to me and they want to tell me

2882
01:41:33,910 --> 01:41:30,960
that they're from here here's their

2883
01:41:35,590 --> 01:41:33,920
message here's their mission

2884
01:41:37,910 --> 01:41:35,600
you know they get real specific with it

2885
01:41:38,870 --> 01:41:37,920
i'm not having that experience

2886
01:41:42,229 --> 01:41:38,880
um

2887
01:41:44,390 --> 01:41:42,239
i have never met an alien that i can say

2888
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:44,400
or spoken to one now i have really

2889
01:41:50,149 --> 01:41:47,520
interesting memories

2890
01:41:53,109 --> 01:41:50,159
of events but for me those events are

2891
01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:53,119
always punctuated by a sleep period

2892
01:42:01,030 --> 01:41:54,560
so

2893
01:42:02,870 --> 01:42:01,040
as an experience

2894
01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:02,880
um i'm still not exactly sure what i'm

2895
01:42:05,830 --> 01:42:04,400
looking at and i mean since we already

2896
01:42:07,350 --> 01:42:05,840
went there with the marvel universe

2897
01:42:09,189 --> 01:42:07,360
stuff

2898
01:42:11,030 --> 01:42:09,199
you know the doctor strange flick just

2899
01:42:13,990 --> 01:42:11,040
came out could i be dreaming another

2900
01:42:15,030 --> 01:42:14,000
sean who's cooler somewhere else maybe

2901
01:42:17,030 --> 01:42:15,040
um

2902
01:42:19,430 --> 01:42:17,040
and i have to accept that i

2903
01:42:21,430 --> 01:42:19,440
don't know that i was away

2904
01:42:22,629 --> 01:42:21,440
with with the aliens last night doing

2905
01:42:24,310 --> 01:42:22,639
cool stuff

2906
01:42:25,510 --> 01:42:24,320
um that might have been a different me

2907
01:42:26,790 --> 01:42:25,520
somewhere and i still got to get up in

2908
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:26,800
the morning do the dishes and clean up

2909
01:42:31,590 --> 01:42:29,119
the dog mess so

2910
01:42:33,510 --> 01:42:31,600
i really don't know um and i'm not

2911
01:42:35,030 --> 01:42:33,520
discounting anybody else's experience

2912
01:42:36,790 --> 01:42:35,040
somebody who wakes up and has physical

2913
01:42:38,229 --> 01:42:36,800
marks and has trauma and things like

2914
01:42:40,709 --> 01:42:38,239
that i'm just saying that's not my

2915
01:42:43,189 --> 01:42:40,719
experience so

2916
01:42:44,229 --> 01:42:43,199
i know there's something going on

2917
01:42:46,709 --> 01:42:44,239
um

2918
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:46,719
i even went to therapy

2919
01:42:51,109 --> 01:42:48,400
after i retired i had a hard time taking

2920
01:42:53,030 --> 01:42:51,119
my uniform off there was a uh

2921
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:53,040
i i left something

2922
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:54,880
in that uniform and it was my courage

2923
01:42:58,310 --> 01:42:56,800
and my wherewithal and my you know my

2924
01:42:59,189 --> 01:42:58,320
get up and go and i had to figure that

2925
01:43:02,310 --> 01:42:59,199
out

2926
01:43:03,590 --> 01:43:02,320
but that happened in the middle of me

2927
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:03,600
meeting lou

2928
01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:06,239
and getting involved with this and so

2929
01:43:09,750 --> 01:43:07,600
i was lucky enough to have an

2930
01:43:11,109 --> 01:43:09,760
open-minded therapist who's kind of a

2931
01:43:12,629 --> 01:43:11,119
hippie but she helped me through all

2932
01:43:14,070 --> 01:43:12,639
this and she's like

2933
01:43:15,910 --> 01:43:14,080
is it you know how much does it bother

2934
01:43:17,990 --> 01:43:15,920
you how much does it scare you is it and

2935
01:43:18,709 --> 01:43:18,000
she helped me realize that you're having

2936
01:43:27,430 --> 01:43:18,719
an

2937
01:43:30,790 --> 01:43:27,440
i decided at that point not to let it

2938
01:43:33,189 --> 01:43:30,800
drive me batty anymore um i decided not

2939
01:43:34,950 --> 01:43:33,199
to be scared of it anymore i decided for

2940
01:43:36,709 --> 01:43:34,960
a while there i was i mean it's gonna

2941
01:43:37,990 --> 01:43:36,719
sound silly as a guy who was a cop but i

2942
01:43:40,310 --> 01:43:38,000
was walking around with at least a

2943
01:43:41,750 --> 01:43:40,320
pocket knife for a while and i

2944
01:43:43,510 --> 01:43:41,760
my wife asked me one day she's like who

2945
01:43:45,510 --> 01:43:43,520
are you gonna stab

2946
01:43:47,030 --> 01:43:45,520
a little a little gray dude you know

2947
01:43:48,550 --> 01:43:47,040
like is that like

2948
01:43:50,070 --> 01:43:48,560
like what are you gonna do i was like

2949
01:43:52,950 --> 01:43:50,080
you're right you're right what am i

2950
01:43:56,229 --> 01:43:52,960
doing here i'm like i'm just afraid

2951
01:43:59,270 --> 01:43:57,750
without people are going to probably

2952
01:44:01,669 --> 01:43:59,280
want me to talk about this more but when

2953
01:44:04,229 --> 01:44:01,679
i stop being afraid scary stuff stop

2954
01:44:04,239 --> 01:44:07,750
so

2955
01:44:11,109 --> 01:44:09,510
what do you do with that you know i know

2956
01:44:12,310 --> 01:44:11,119
we all have i of cour i could talk for

2957
01:44:13,830 --> 01:44:12,320
an hour with you on a different show

2958
01:44:15,990 --> 01:44:13,840
about frequency and vibration and

2959
01:44:17,430 --> 01:44:16,000
meditation and fear and all that stuff

2960
01:44:19,350 --> 01:44:17,440
but since we're being kind of you know

2961
01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:19,360
general in this and talking on a day

2962
01:44:23,430 --> 01:44:21,760
that was that was very pragmatic i don't

2963
01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:23,440
want to go go too

2964
01:44:28,310 --> 01:44:25,600
into the weird but

2965
01:44:30,229 --> 01:44:28,320
there's a lot to this there's it's not

2966
01:44:32,149 --> 01:44:30,239
just

2967
01:44:33,830 --> 01:44:32,159
vehicles in the sky from somewhere else

2968
01:44:36,070 --> 01:44:33,840
with cool dudes in it

2969
01:44:38,310 --> 01:44:36,080
there's aspects of psychotronics there's

2970
01:44:41,669 --> 01:44:38,320
aspects of non-linguistic programming

2971
01:44:45,270 --> 01:44:41,679
there's aspects of of control

2972
01:44:47,030 --> 01:44:45,280
around this subject that are frightening

2973
01:44:48,950 --> 01:44:47,040
and no those aren't ready for the hill

2974
01:44:50,870 --> 01:44:48,960
today you don't start with those you

2975
01:44:53,030 --> 01:44:50,880
know um but we're gonna have to get

2976
01:44:55,430 --> 01:44:53,040
there someday

2977
01:44:56,709 --> 01:44:55,440
have you ever have you ever this is

2978
01:44:58,950 --> 01:44:56,719
fascinating

2979
01:45:00,629 --> 01:44:58,960
have you ever looked into or heard about

2980
01:45:03,750 --> 01:45:00,639
the ariel

2981
01:45:06,070 --> 01:45:03,760
school incident i have um

2982
01:45:08,870 --> 01:45:06,080
i i have actually kind of

2983
01:45:09,990 --> 01:45:08,880
kept the aerial incident over here as if

2984
01:45:11,830 --> 01:45:10,000
it's a

2985
01:45:13,750 --> 01:45:11,840
a prize that i don't want to know

2986
01:45:15,189 --> 01:45:13,760
everything about because i enjoy it so

2987
01:45:17,109 --> 01:45:15,199
much you know what i mean like sometimes

2988
01:45:20,070 --> 01:45:17,119
you you really dig into it and it loses

2989
01:45:21,830 --> 01:45:20,080
all it loses its gloss it's still

2990
01:45:24,149 --> 01:45:21,840
something i want to know more about that

2991
01:45:25,109 --> 01:45:24,159
i want to hear more from the witnesses

2992
01:45:27,430 --> 01:45:25,119
um

2993
01:45:30,470 --> 01:45:27,440
well the the aerial phenomenon is coming

2994
01:45:32,790 --> 01:45:30,480
out may 20th it's on it's on my website

2995
01:45:35,910 --> 01:45:32,800
and i i got to watch the screener on it

2996
01:45:38,950 --> 01:45:35,920
and it is my favorite movie on this

2997
01:45:41,990 --> 01:45:38,960
topic really it's really really good

2998
01:45:43,910 --> 01:45:42,000
because it it's uh it shows john mack

2999
01:45:44,950 --> 01:45:43,920
did a wonderful job interviewing these

3000
01:45:46,629 --> 01:45:44,960
children

3001
01:45:49,669 --> 01:45:46,639
really wonderful job he was stellar at

3002
01:45:51,750 --> 01:45:49,679
what he did and got so much information

3003
01:45:54,790 --> 01:45:51,760
out of them at the right time

3004
01:45:56,550 --> 01:45:54,800
and then it follows them 20 years later

3005
01:46:00,229 --> 01:45:56,560
when they're in their 20s

3006
01:46:01,590 --> 01:46:00,239
and what that how it impacted their life

3007
01:46:02,390 --> 01:46:01,600
and uh

3008
01:46:03,270 --> 01:46:02,400
and

3009
01:46:07,750 --> 01:46:03,280
it's

3010
01:46:10,149 --> 01:46:07,760
great great

3011
01:46:10,870 --> 01:46:10,159
video i i suggest anyone listening to

3012
01:46:11,750 --> 01:46:10,880
this

3013
01:46:16,149 --> 01:46:11,760
um

3014
01:46:17,430 --> 01:46:16,159
yeah that's that's incredible and and

3015
01:46:19,590 --> 01:46:17,440
what i was getting at when i first

3016
01:46:21,270 --> 01:46:19,600
brought it up was um

3017
01:46:24,310 --> 01:46:21,280
you know there's there's talk about

3018
01:46:26,229 --> 01:46:24,320
telepathic you talked about non-verbal

3019
01:46:28,310 --> 01:46:26,239
communication or something like that and

3020
01:46:30,149 --> 01:46:28,320
i think that's kind of what you meant

3021
01:46:32,149 --> 01:46:30,159
which is all all fascinating and i

3022
01:46:33,430 --> 01:46:32,159
remember asking

3023
01:46:35,750 --> 01:46:33,440
um

3024
01:46:37,350 --> 01:46:35,760
i remember asking emily trim who was one

3025
01:46:40,550 --> 01:46:37,360
of the people in that

3026
01:46:41,990 --> 01:46:40,560
um what what was it like what was it

3027
01:46:44,470 --> 01:46:42,000
like for her

3028
01:46:47,109 --> 01:46:44,480
and she said it was like sending a link

3029
01:46:48,149 --> 01:46:47,119
a neural link like she could see like

3030
01:46:49,669 --> 01:46:48,159
pictures

3031
01:46:51,590 --> 01:46:49,679
that type of thing and that's how she

3032
01:46:52,950 --> 01:46:51,600
got the communication

3033
01:46:55,750 --> 01:46:52,960
which wasn't

3034
01:46:57,830 --> 01:46:55,760
all that good because it was about um

3035
01:46:59,990 --> 01:46:57,840
we're destroying our planet

3036
01:47:01,750 --> 01:47:00,000
not exactly how to

3037
01:47:03,910 --> 01:47:01,760
um

3038
01:47:05,990 --> 01:47:03,920
do anything to fix it but just the fact

3039
01:47:08,470 --> 01:47:06,000
that we are

3040
01:47:10,790 --> 01:47:08,480
you know and this is 1994.

3041
01:47:13,109 --> 01:47:10,800
yeah still we're still doing it

3042
01:47:14,790 --> 01:47:13,119
i find it fascinating because it's i

3043
01:47:18,790 --> 01:47:14,800
think there's something about the

3044
01:47:21,030 --> 01:47:18,800
phenomenon especially in these more um

3045
01:47:22,629 --> 01:47:21,040
famous or impactful or or perhaps

3046
01:47:24,070 --> 01:47:22,639
understandable cases the ones where we

3047
01:47:25,669 --> 01:47:24,080
can at least see something we think we

3048
01:47:26,790 --> 01:47:25,679
recognize

3049
01:47:28,310 --> 01:47:26,800
um

3050
01:47:29,590 --> 01:47:28,320
there's a lot of personal choice it

3051
01:47:31,510 --> 01:47:29,600
seems to be

3052
01:47:34,149 --> 01:47:31,520
and i have to say that i've had people

3053
01:47:35,430 --> 01:47:34,159
try to paint my experience in because of

3054
01:47:36,870 --> 01:47:35,440
who i am now

3055
01:47:38,550 --> 01:47:36,880
because of the way that i present myself

3056
01:47:41,510 --> 01:47:38,560
they make an assumption that i had a

3057
01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:41,520
spiritual awakening in 2004 and i didn't

3058
01:47:46,870 --> 01:47:44,159
um this step the the

3059
01:47:48,629 --> 01:47:46,880
the tic tac st stepped on the air supply

3060
01:47:52,149 --> 01:47:48,639
of my spirituality

3061
01:47:55,270 --> 01:47:52,159
um me seeing it as a as a possible

3062
01:47:57,990 --> 01:47:55,280
government program or darpa or our tech

3063
01:48:00,390 --> 01:47:58,000
and the way we reacted kind of popped my

3064
01:48:02,070 --> 01:48:00,400
my mystical bubble at the time and i had

3065
01:48:04,870 --> 01:48:02,080
it i was done

3066
01:48:06,070 --> 01:48:04,880
um i wasn't gonna wonder and dream and

3067
01:48:08,629 --> 01:48:06,080
look up and

3068
01:48:10,870 --> 01:48:08,639
and think anymore and in fact

3069
01:48:12,470 --> 01:48:10,880
uh being completely honest my daughter

3070
01:48:13,990 --> 01:48:12,480
suffered over the years because that was

3071
01:48:15,990 --> 01:48:14,000
during the harry potter craze and i was

3072
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:16,000
like harry potter's nonsense there's no

3073
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:18,480
magic um it's really i'm really sad

3074
01:48:21,350 --> 01:48:20,080
about it looking back because i feel i

3075
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:21,360
told her i said i feel like i stole

3076
01:48:26,470 --> 01:48:24,480
something from your childhood by not

3077
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:26,480
being there with you for that stuff

3078
01:48:30,550 --> 01:48:28,560
and what made you what made you more or

3079
01:48:33,990 --> 01:48:30,560
less bitter about it was the fact that

3080
01:48:36,070 --> 01:48:34,000
it was like being made little of

3081
01:48:37,669 --> 01:48:36,080
i've learned about myself over the years

3082
01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:37,679
that i don't like i don't like being

3083
01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:39,760
told we're having ice cream after dinner

3084
01:48:44,229 --> 01:48:41,760
and then we're having pie i get really

3085
01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:44,239
angry i'm not happy with the pie i want

3086
01:48:48,470 --> 01:48:46,560
anything you said that i was gonna have

3087
01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:48,480
and so i know that looking back i think

3088
01:48:51,430 --> 01:48:50,080
what happened was i got my hopes up

3089
01:48:53,830 --> 01:48:51,440
really really big and then nothing

3090
01:48:55,109 --> 01:48:53,840
happened and so i stumped i took my ball

3091
01:48:57,270 --> 01:48:55,119
and went home

3092
01:48:59,590 --> 01:48:57,280
um in a lot of ways

3093
01:49:01,750 --> 01:48:59,600
and that almost killed me i mean that

3094
01:49:03,189 --> 01:49:01,760
that paradigm shift in my thinking led

3095
01:49:05,350 --> 01:49:03,199
to my heart attack

3096
01:49:06,390 --> 01:49:05,360
at 37 a few years later

3097
01:49:07,270 --> 01:49:06,400
geez

3098
01:49:08,310 --> 01:49:07,280
and

3099
01:49:10,550 --> 01:49:08,320
that

3100
01:49:13,510 --> 01:49:10,560
material look at the you know i became a

3101
01:49:16,310 --> 01:49:13,520
materialist very quickly

3102
01:49:19,430 --> 01:49:16,320
and it was bad it was bad news um since

3103
01:49:21,990 --> 01:49:19,440
then no i'm in my private life i'm i'm

3104
01:49:24,790 --> 01:49:22,000
the woo-woo guy over in the corner

3105
01:49:26,709 --> 01:49:24,800
um i'm the hippie wearing probably only

3106
01:49:28,550 --> 01:49:26,719
a pair of shorts or a sarong or

3107
01:49:30,310 --> 01:49:28,560
something like that

3108
01:49:35,109 --> 01:49:30,320
but

3109
01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:35,119
this is the most fascinating subject and

3110
01:49:38,390 --> 01:49:36,880
spectrum of ideas that i've encountered

3111
01:49:40,870 --> 01:49:38,400
in my entire life

3112
01:49:44,229 --> 01:49:40,880
yeah and i i feel very fortunate to have

3113
01:49:45,910 --> 01:49:44,239
had almost every flavor of it so far up

3114
01:49:48,390 --> 01:49:45,920
into this point and i don't know that if

3115
01:49:49,990 --> 01:49:48,400
i i could be here with my thoughts and

3116
01:49:52,070 --> 01:49:50,000
feelings

3117
01:49:53,910 --> 01:49:52,080
etc as i am

3118
01:49:56,070 --> 01:49:53,920
if not for having experienced the bad

3119
01:49:59,030 --> 01:49:56,080
and the good

3120
01:50:01,109 --> 01:49:59,040
yeah yeah you gotta you gotta experience

3121
01:50:04,470 --> 01:50:01,119
it all to understand

3122
01:50:07,350 --> 01:50:04,480
the the polar opposites really yeah yeah

3123
01:50:09,669 --> 01:50:07,360
well i i gotta tell you this has been um

3124
01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:09,679
we only have a couple minutes left but

3125
01:50:13,830 --> 01:50:12,320
uh you're an amazing guest and i just

3126
01:50:14,870 --> 01:50:13,840
want to say that

3127
01:50:24,550 --> 01:50:14,880
you're

3128
01:50:26,149 --> 01:50:24,560
to you ask really good questions i love

3129
01:50:27,990 --> 01:50:26,159
watching your show i can't i couldn't

3130
01:50:29,430 --> 01:50:28,000
commit to every week but i would love to

3131
01:50:30,709 --> 01:50:29,440
come back and talk to you again most

3132
01:50:33,910 --> 01:50:30,719
definitely it was really a pleasure to

3133
01:50:35,589 --> 01:50:33,920
speak to you great great and um so what

3134
01:50:37,910 --> 01:50:35,599
where do you think uh like i said we got

3135
01:50:39,910 --> 01:50:37,920
we got about three minutes so yeah what

3136
01:50:41,189 --> 01:50:39,920
do you think um

3137
01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:41,199
what do you think you're going to be

3138
01:50:44,629 --> 01:50:42,480
doing in the future when it comes to

3139
01:50:47,430 --> 01:50:44,639
this topic

3140
01:50:49,669 --> 01:50:47,440
well we um we decided to to dissolve the

3141
01:50:52,790 --> 01:50:49,679
llc of our business uh we had considered

3142
01:50:54,390 --> 01:50:52,800
for for a period of time um entering

3143
01:50:55,669 --> 01:50:54,400
into the the you know the business

3144
01:50:57,350 --> 01:50:55,679
portion of this

3145
01:51:01,030 --> 01:50:57,360
because let's be real you can only get

3146
01:51:02,470 --> 01:51:01,040
so far um you know being pro bono

3147
01:51:04,070 --> 01:51:02,480
um

3148
01:51:06,550 --> 01:51:04,080
but with the dissolving of the business

3149
01:51:09,510 --> 01:51:06,560
i've decided that i'm just going to kind

3150
01:51:11,510 --> 01:51:09,520
of wing it um i've got a few

3151
01:51:12,870 --> 01:51:11,520
irons in the fire as people like to say

3152
01:51:15,109 --> 01:51:12,880
as far as helping communicate this

3153
01:51:16,709 --> 01:51:15,119
subject in a different manner i've been

3154
01:51:18,550 --> 01:51:16,719
approached by um

3155
01:51:20,149 --> 01:51:18,560
after now after a couple of years that

3156
01:51:21,350 --> 01:51:20,159
some there have been some offers come in

3157
01:51:23,669 --> 01:51:21,360
that look like they would be very

3158
01:51:25,589 --> 01:51:23,679
helpful to the community not just

3159
01:51:26,709 --> 01:51:25,599
helpful to me and my family

3160
01:51:28,950 --> 01:51:26,719
um

3161
01:51:30,470 --> 01:51:28,960
may i make a suggestion yes i would love

3162
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:30,480
to make a suggestion

3163
01:51:33,669 --> 01:51:32,560
to you um are you familiar with stanton

3164
01:51:36,550 --> 01:51:33,679
friedman

3165
01:51:39,270 --> 01:51:36,560
i am yes now stan freeman went around

3166
01:51:42,310 --> 01:51:39,280
all these colleges and places like that

3167
01:51:44,229 --> 01:51:42,320
and and spoke about this topic i think

3168
01:51:47,189 --> 01:51:44,239
you would be perfect at that

3169
01:51:48,870 --> 01:51:47,199
thank you thank you very much and um i

3170
01:51:50,149 --> 01:51:48,880
just think you would the way you present

3171
01:51:53,350 --> 01:51:50,159
yourself

3172
01:51:54,390 --> 01:51:53,360
your authenticity the whole deal

3173
01:51:57,030 --> 01:51:54,400
um

3174
01:51:58,629 --> 01:51:57,040
it would really be great but uh

3175
01:51:59,750 --> 01:51:58,639
uh and someone just wrote thank you for

3176
01:52:02,149 --> 01:51:59,760
your service

3177
01:52:04,149 --> 01:52:02,159
yes thank you oh that was my pleasure

3178
01:52:05,270 --> 01:52:04,159
that and and i i appreciate it when

3179
01:52:07,030 --> 01:52:05,280
people thank me for that but i

3180
01:52:08,629 --> 01:52:07,040
volunteered each time and that that was

3181
01:52:10,550 --> 01:52:08,639
it was my pleasure to serve alongside

3182
01:52:12,550 --> 01:52:10,560
the folks that i did so it was not a

3183
01:52:14,149 --> 01:52:12,560
sacrifice to it was a sacrifice for my

3184
01:52:17,589 --> 01:52:14,159
family but for me it was a pleasure for

3185
01:52:19,109 --> 01:52:17,599
20 years wow sean where can someone

3186
01:52:22,229 --> 01:52:19,119
reach you do you want people to reach

3187
01:52:25,350 --> 01:52:24,629
that's a tough question um i've beco

3188
01:52:30,870 --> 01:52:25,360
i've

3189
01:52:32,229 --> 01:52:30,880
unless i was in trouble um and so at

3190
01:52:34,550 --> 01:52:32,239
this moment

3191
01:52:36,870 --> 01:52:34,560
i i'm on about a three-day turnaround to

3192
01:52:38,709 --> 01:52:36,880
even answer friends and family um

3193
01:52:40,390 --> 01:52:38,719
because i'm so overwhelmed but i do want

3194
01:52:42,950 --> 01:52:40,400
people to reach out they can find me at

3195
01:52:45,189 --> 01:52:42,960
um at mintyhyperspace.com i have some of

3196
01:52:47,189 --> 01:52:45,199
my older interviews archived there some

3197
01:52:50,229 --> 01:52:47,199
articles and other things but they can

3198
01:52:52,950 --> 01:52:50,239
write me directly at minty hyperspace

3199
01:52:54,390 --> 01:52:52,960
gmail.com and that's two words minty and

3200
01:52:57,109 --> 01:52:54,400
hyperspace

3201
01:52:58,790 --> 01:52:57,119
uh in case i i muddled it up but i would

3202
01:53:00,629 --> 01:52:58,800
i would love for people to reach out to

3203
01:53:03,270 --> 01:53:00,639
me if i'm slow turning around i try to

3204
01:53:04,550 --> 01:53:03,280
answer everybody i don't get to

3205
01:53:06,629 --> 01:53:04,560
um

3206
01:53:07,910 --> 01:53:06,639
but it's been incredible the last three

3207
01:53:09,589 --> 01:53:07,920
years the amount of support that we've

3208
01:53:10,870 --> 01:53:09,599
gotten has been incredibly overwhelming

3209
01:53:17,270 --> 01:53:10,880
i've never

3210
01:53:19,750 --> 01:53:17,280
and support in in any way in my life and

3211
01:53:21,990 --> 01:53:19,760
between you and me we may spend time

3212
01:53:23,990 --> 01:53:22,000
complaining about the trolls and and

3213
01:53:25,750 --> 01:53:24,000
those who want to you know

3214
01:53:27,430 --> 01:53:25,760
jump from detail to detail hoping to

3215
01:53:29,189 --> 01:53:27,440
make a name for themselves but the fact

3216
01:53:31,270 --> 01:53:29,199
is is the community has been

3217
01:53:33,589 --> 01:53:31,280
overwhelmingly supportive

3218
01:53:35,189 --> 01:53:33,599
and i i have not been able to find a way

3219
01:53:36,390 --> 01:53:35,199
to say thanks properly for the amount of

3220
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:36,400
support we've got

3221
01:53:41,030 --> 01:53:38,320
well you just did tonight

3222
01:53:42,790 --> 01:53:41,040
so thank you so much sean it's been my

3223
01:53:44,550 --> 01:53:42,800
absolute pleasure to talk to you thank

3224
01:53:45,910 --> 01:53:44,560
you martin it was very very cool all

3225
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:45,920
right take care

3226
01:53:50,070 --> 01:53:47,520
all right everyone so we'll be back next

3227
01:53:52,390 --> 01:53:50,080
week with mario woods and i think he had

3228
01:53:56,390 --> 01:53:52,400
to do with rendelsham forest um thank

3229
01:53:58,790 --> 01:53:56,400
you so much for uh staying tuned tonight

3230
01:54:01,640 --> 01:53:58,800
and remember to keep your eyes to the

3231
01:54:10,770 --> 01:54:01,650
sky